Aborting your husband 's child

scylla · Dec 20, 2008

Sir Nose said: ↑

Your perception that human rights in Europe is better than in the US is a common one, but from what I have witnessed from living in Europe, and traveling quite a bit to many European countries, that is simply not the case.

To wit:

1) people are told how to worship. In portugal for example, there is only one recognized church in the eyes of the govt, the roman catholic church. If you are a protestant or a muslim your church is unrecognized.

2) Girls choices are limited. My young girls played almost every sport you can imagine in the US. Here, in the land of football (soccer), you can't find a team for girls. When asking most of the locals they say, really only boys play football, girls usually watch. I had to start a softball team for them and fortunately I found a co-ed basketball club.

3) The government controls what name you give to your own child. In portugal, the name a family selects for their child must come from a book of names approved by the government.

4) Lack of mobility. Most people grow up, go to school, meet people, get a job, etc within a 50 mile radius of where they were born. Because of stifiling tax laws, limited health care choices, ridiculous tolls, high price of gas and limited school choice, you not only find people staying in regional areas, but they also still have an old world tendency to pursue the same profession as their parents. It is an informal class system which affects women more than men. It is quite typical here for a young woman to live with her parents until she is 30.

5) Xenophobia is alive and well in Europe. In all of these little countries the size of US States, they have monolithic populations. The portuguese, spaniards, norwegians, germans, french, etc all have their own language, peculiarities, and prejudices towards each other that I witness everyday that would shock most Americans.

6) Restricted career choices. Your daughter wants to be a doctor? Better check with the government first. Kids take exams coming out of high school based on career paths that they have chosen. If your daughter wants to be a doctor, she has to score high enough to make the cutoff of how many doctors the government has decided the country will need for that particular year. So it is not even up to the medical schools if she gets accepted, it is up to the government. There is something very, very wrong with that. This applies to all professions.

So, while I really like Europe, I will say that it doesn't come close to offering the freedom of choice (and yes, that includes the freedom to fail) that we almost take for granted in the US, even with all of our warts.
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Tinkerbell said: ↑

Thank you Sir Nose for your insightful post. I'm even more greatful to be an American today.

Wow, even the name of you own child, that one was a real surprise, do they restrict the names of the children of foreigners too? or is it just the nationals? But telling someone that they shouldn't kill that unborn child would be taboo? A bit off balance I should say!

I guess they don't get names like Litahni, Latrona, Theola, and Vernene over there huh?
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These posts makes me greatful that you are american, too.. I'm out of here. I'm gonna go out and eat children now and practice my paegan swedish ways. Then I'm gonna dig a whole in the ground and go to hell, because if this is what heavens gonna be filled with, i'd prefer not to go there thanx.

untitled1985 · Dec 20, 2008

ThickShawty said: ↑

ok, so I hope that MEN will have to carry babies in their belly for 9 months in the next era. then we'll see if u'll be still of the same opinion. :smt084
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it's murder, and should be a crime and charged and labelled just like infancitide

untitled1985 · Dec 20, 2008

Sir Nose said: ↑

Your perception that human rights in Europe is better than in the US is a common one, but from what I have witnessed from living in Europe, and traveling quite a bit to many European countries, that is simply not the case.

To wit:

1) people are told how to worship. In portugal for example, there is only one recognized church in the eyes of the govt, the roman catholic church. If you are a protestant or a muslim your church is unrecognized.

2) Girls choices are limited. My young girls played almost every sport you can imagine in the US. Here, in the land of football (soccer), you can't find a team for girls. When asking most of the locals they say, really only boys play football, girls usually watch. I had to start a softball team for them and fortunately I found a co-ed basketball club.

3) The government controls what name you give to your own child. In portugal, the name a family selects for their child must come from a book of names approved by the government.

4) Lack of mobility. Most people grow up, go to school, meet people, get a job, etc within a 50 mile radius of where they were born. Because of stifiling tax laws, limited health care choices, ridiculous tolls, high price of gas and limited school choice, you not only find people staying in regional areas, but they also still have an old world tendency to pursue the same profession as their parents. It is an informal class system which affects women more than men. It is quite typical here for a young woman to live with her parents until she is 30.

5) Xenophobia is alive and well in Europe. In all of these little countries the size of US States, they have monolithic populations. The portuguese, spaniards, norwegians, germans, french, etc all have their own language, peculiarities, and prejudices towards each other that I witness everyday that would shock most Americans.

6) Restricted career choices. Your daughter wants to be a doctor? Better check with the government first. Kids take exams coming out of high school based on career paths that they have chosen. If your daughter wants to be a doctor, she has to score high enough to make the cutoff of how many doctors the government has decided the country will need for that particular year. So it is not even up to the medical schools if she gets accepted, it is up to the government. There is something very, very wrong with that. This applies to all professions.

So, while I really like Europe, I will say that it doesn't come close to offering the freedom of choice (and yes, that includes the freedom to fail) that we almost take for granted in the US, even with all of our warts.
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How is it like to live in portugal as a black man? I know portugal has a good amount of people from angola living there. Are you of angola descent?

Tinkerbell · Dec 20, 2008

toronto23 said: ↑

How is it like to live in portugal as a black man? I know portugal has a good amount of people from angola living there. Are you of angola descent?
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He's American!

Sir Nose · Dec 21, 2008

toronto23 said: ↑

How is it like to live in portugal as a black man? I know portugal has a good amount of people from angola living there. Are you of angola descent?
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No, or at least, not that I know of

My family came to America on slave ships so I don't know which African country my ancestors came from, but it could be Angola because many Portuguese think I am a second or third generation Angolan-Portuguese, that is until I practice my poor portuguese.

Life here as a black man is fine. Race relations are very good here I would say. Reading a little of portuguese history shows that even when they were colonialists they had a pretty good policy of acceptance of blacks and mulattos as portuguese citizens.

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