19 Students, 2 Teachers Killed In Shooting At Texas Elementary School

From ABC News:

 

Listening to the moron (Abbott) and his BS that this is a mental health problem. OK, fine... then what will they do about it? Why is it OK for a mentally unstable person to have access to these weapons? Apparently, Texas is not the largest purchaser of new guns (by state) to which he's "embarrassed", and called on TX residents to make the state top that list. Lt. gov glossed over armed teachers again. Don't teachers have enough to do? If they wanted to perform police duties... Perhaps, they would've have come come a police officer. In the meantime it's the usual "thoughts and prayers", and going through the usual motions. We'll be here again following the next mass shooting.

 

I mean yeah not like they plan to provide say free universal access to quality healthcare so what is the point in talking about mental health.

Also any Cop or School Safety Officer who is armed but lacks to courage to stop kids from being massacred should quite frankly be shot along with the active shooter. I don't care if the Courts says Cops don't have a "Duty to Protect and Serve"...all these lazy cowardly cops wanna do is bully defenseless victims and use civil asset forfeiture to seize money, vehicles and drugs to inflate their own bank accounts.

 

When it comes to gun violence, the United States is a global anomaly, with more gun deaths than any of its peers.

 

The GOP has collectively sold their souls to the NRA devil. Lord help us.
They just don't care.

 

Nothing common sense about the gun control bills being legislated.

 

since Biden took office the definition of mass shooting changed from at least 8 shot (during Obama’s terms) to 3 shot. This is misleading. Also we’re home to almost 50% of the worlds guns yet account for about 20% of gun deaths. Not perfect and needs improvement no doubt

 

It is not ok for someone unstable to have a gun. Better to ask that question to the FBI. They were informed of this shooter and almost every other shooter making terrorist threats to the school. So why are they passing these peoples backgrounds when having prior knowledge of their unstableness? No doubt teachers do have enough but if they choose to carry then why not? Why is the answer always “ban guns/ more gun control” when it’s already proving to not work? Why not choose to PROTECT schools like every courthouse in the country is? Why do gun grabbing politicians get to be protected by certain tools and security but our kids and us don’t?

 

Gun purchases do require a background check

 

So the frequency of mass shootings drops but the number killed increased. All in “gun free zones”…
During the ban mass shootings still happened. Why? Because there weapons are already in circulation. Wanna ban them again? We now have almost 100 million assault rifles in circulation and over 500 million guns. Banning anything won’t work. Expanded background checks? They get the weapons where 90% of gun violence comes from, via illegal means. All this will do is leave us vulnerable. If our government who has a nasty track record of violence against their people are going to be protected then so am I. The founding fathers new what they were doing which is why our inalienable 2A is our only amendment to state “shall not be infringed”. We don’t need more gun control which proves doesn’t work, we need courthouse style protection in our schools. We need to allow our school staff to carry IF they want to. We need to address mental health especially with men. We need to hold FBI background checkers accountable. We need to change gun culture from this scary thing we don’t talk about to it being a tool for protection against evil.

 

My issue with the mention of armed teachers is... If it's a place where a teacher can legally be armed and they choose to do so... OK, I guess that's fine. However, my issue is that these politicians such as Abbott, Cruz and the like are quick to mention arming teachers as a part of a solution. I personally think this is insane, and them just reaching with more lame attempts to deflect from the real problem. Obviously a teacher is not going to perform their regular duties with a gun strapped to them. Also... I know many teachers and one thing I can say is that they're dedicated to their profession/duties and protecting their students. That doesn't mean that they should be seen as someone who can suddenly shift into shootout mode in the event of an active shooter situation. They mentioned placing armed guards outside of school buildings... OK, how many guards? Are they willing to fund it? If it's one or two armed people guarding the building... Any person wishing to do harm there doesn't directly engage the armed guard when it's easy enough conceal themselves while awaiting the opportunity to shoot that person. They mentioned mental health as well. Fine and dandy, but this is the crowd who fight tooth and nail to not fund these programs in the name of "socialism".

Like many are asking... Why is this only a problem in America?

 

No one was informed about the psychological state of this 18 year old murderer prior to purchase. He bought two(?) assault rifles on or after his 18th birthday, including high capacity mags. A sane gun seller might wonder why a teen boy is buying these weapons and for what purpose.

At what point do conservatives say no 18 year old should be able to buy a gun and all gun purchases be registered??
We have NO gun control in this country which is why our European allies look at us like we're touched in he head.

No one should be able to buy an AR15, much less a teen. Will it stop all mass shootings?? Hell no. But it will make a dent in the incidence of mass shootings. A teen boy is buying a kevlar vest, two assault rifles and high capacity mags and no red flags go off??

I'll tell you what, you conservatives who love to sleep with your guns are going to fuck up with this permissive attitude towards mass shootings, and the 90% of Americans who are in favor of common sense gun regulation are going to shut down the game altogether.

Until it becomes almost impossible to buy a gun legally or ammunition.

Chris Rock has a joke about ending gun violence by charging $5000 per bullet. You simply don't realize most Americans are sickened and horrified by this shit. It's NOT normal and never will be.

In the Old West when it was most natural to carry a firearm, there were frontier towns who still prohibited carrying guns in town. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/gun-control-old-west-180968013/



If you keep fucking around about the importance of gun control, you will wake up one day and find the sale of most guns banned.
There probably won't be any serious gun collection nationwide, but it will be nearly impossible to just buy a firearm from a gun dealer.

As for there should have been more police officers at the elementary school, there were a dozen of them at the scene who were too afraid to enter the school for almost an hour until Border Patrol arrived.



Extensive background checks. Mental health screens. Gun registration. No more selling assault weapons to the general population. You have to be at least 21-25 to buy a gun.

I promise you these massacres would drop to almost nothing overnight.

 

Greed and amorality, plain and simple. There are a few million people in this country who couldn't give a damn about mass shootings so long as they get to stroke their metal barrels.

 

Agreed! This latest one even more seeing as it was a heavily latino school.

 

Since you're new here I'm not going to get into a back-and-forth regarding this issue. That's your opinion, you're entitled to it, and I'll leave it at that.

 

I don’t care for politicians but how I interpret when they say “arm teachers” is to allow them to if they want to. Not forcing them to do so. Not carry on body unless they want to but at least allowing them to store off body in their desk with a biometric safe that’s bolted to the entire desk.
Might be a deflection but it’s a literal solution to ACTUALLY stop someone from performing an evil act. A piece of paper that say LAW on it doesn’t stop someone.

The problem isn’t guns but mental health. The securing of schools is active protection and fail safe. I was a teacher and know many. A lot, including myself don’t want to get into a gun fight but also want to live and protect babies. So I want to be able to protect myself and loved ones. Give us that ability! Metal detectors at the main entrance that always has some administrative employee there who can buzz people in/ out. Lock every other entrance from the outside. Cop and or security guard in the building. If that’s not an option then a parent and or community member who volunteers as security after obtaining a LTC, going through a schools vetting program. Hold the FBI/ government accountable who process back ground checks.