Ex-President Donald Trump

Discussion in 'Politics' started by blackbull1970, Apr 30, 2017.

  1. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    First of all Turkey is part of NATO putting sanctions on them wouldn't make sense. (NATO, so it's France's Ally too)

    Secondly the invasion of Cyprus by the Greeks is what started it.

    Those people seem to want Turkey there because they want to be independent from the rest of Cyprus because they are Muslim. Turkey is also Muslim.

    It's probably more complicated than that but as long as France is a part of NATO don't push Turkey off on us as if your country has nothing to do with them.

    Do you want your country out of NATO? Do you want NATO to no longer exist?
     
  2. sarah23

    sarah23 Well-Known Member

    Turkey doesnt even help NATO
    It buys Russian weapons.
    Its not democratic.
    And it occupies part of a EU country, contrary to U. N.
    But USA still backs them.
    Many EU countries want closer relations with Russia.
     
  3. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    As if Russia isn't a dictatorship. That's quite hypocritical.

    Turkey was a democracy last time I checked, did that change?

    You do have a point about them buying Russian made weapons tho, that's counter productive for a country in NATO. I don't like that at all.

    So what do you want exactly? You want Turkey out of NATO or do you want France out of NATO?

    Seems like you want Europe to be closer to Russia. Why is that? Why this affinity for Russia? Why does Europe want to be closer to them?
     
  4. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    Ok Turkey is definitely questionable. It may not be much of a democracy anymore or a failing one at best, but when you show affinity for Russia in the same breath it comes off as quite hypocritical.
     
  5. Since1980

    Since1980 Well-Known Member

    Unfortunately, it's not the 70s anymore and the Republican Party of 2019 is NOT the Republican Party of the Nixon days. The currently GOP is much further to the right and much more reactionary than they have ever been with no end in sight.

    Bear in mind this is the same group of Senate Republicans who literally told Barack Obama that they were going to refuse to hold a vote on his Supreme Court nominee and suffered absolutely zero political fallout because of it.

    I get that you're optimistic that Senate Republicans are going to suddenly recognize the rule of law after completely ignoring it since January 2017, but they really cared about that then they wouldn't be supporting him in the first place.
     
  6. sarah23

    sarah23 Well-Known Member

    N Cyprus is Turkist because most people there are Turkish.
    Same for N Ireland being British.
    Same for Crimea being Russia
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  7. sarah23

    sarah23 Well-Known Member

    I have more affinity for Russia, a fellow European country, than I do for Saudi Arabia, which finances Salafist islam and finances theconstruction of mosques all over Europe.
    But its Americas friend.
    American has gotten itself into so many messy wars because of its opposition to Russia.
    But all these military interventions have ended in failure and the deaths of thousands of young Americans.
    Pointless
     
  8. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    Yeah we should break ties with Saudi Arabia and become energy independent. We haven't yet because of internal politics.

    You seem to like Arabs and their culture. Just not the Muslim ones?

    So you have an affinity for Russia just because it's a "fellow European" country? It's America's fault that Russia is our enemy?

    We should just stay to ourselves and let Russia become bigger and more powerful?
     
  9. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    When he finds out Trump won't get removed it's going to be capitalism's fault, watch.
     
  10. sarah23

    sarah23 Well-Known Member

    China is the one to watch, not Russia.
    Yes USA needs to be energy independent and not back these dictators.
     
  11. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    I say we should watch any dictator that has nuclear weapons. Especially one that's aggressive as Russia. You have this affinity for Russia and can't explain why. It's like a high school crush or something. That doesn't work in the real world. We can't govern ourselves by emotions. Cold hard logic and strategy only.
     
  12. sarah23

    sarah23 Well-Known Member

    America is aggressive too.
    It uses its military power to defend its interests.
    And will back any country that supports its interests, including islamists, dictators, human right abusers etc.
    It has no moral authority to criticise any country, including Russia.
     
  13. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    At least we aren't a dictatorship. So yes we can criticize Russia.
     
  14. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    Yes we can
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  15. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    Putin KILLS his political rivals. Your high school crush on Russia is just silly.
     
  16. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member


    No matter how popular Trump is among his small base, no Republican politician is going to support him if he becomes burned and they risk losing their seats.

    There's a poll out that says 22% of Republican voters right now support impeachment if it's proven that Trump used the office of the POTUS to bully the Ukrainian president to dig up dirt on Biden.
    The Dems need less than 20 Republicans in the Senate to remove Trump from office.

    The whistleblower is going to testify before Congress, as is the intelligence inspector general who said the whisteblower's complaint was legitimate.
    The Director of National Intelligence, a Trump appointee, just testified and basically agreed with the facts of the complaint.

    That's two Trump appointees who've already turned on him.

    I think so many Republicans are personally sick of Trump and hate the guy, it wouldn't take a hard push to get them to kick him out of the clubhouse.
     
  17. sarah23

    sarah23 Well-Known Member

    America inteferes in other countries and kills politicians and installs despots.
    The list is long.
    Our late president Jacques Chirac was against the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq.
    Now we see the mess created in Iraq.
    Only Iran has gained.
    The irony of U.S. policy.
     
  18. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    Yeah Iraq was a bad idea.

    Still you have a crush on Russia as if that makes sense. If Russia becomes more powerful you would have one man ruling the world, I guess that makes sense to you.

    You see America's faults and turn a blind eye to a dictator and country that has done nothing for yours.

    Highschool crush projected to the stage of the real world.

    All of the stuff America is guilty of has been happening for centuries but it's far worse under dictators.

    Maybe you should become a politican since you're so comfortable being hypocritical.
     
  19. Since1980

    Since1980 Well-Known Member

    He's not wrong, though. We are definitely where we are politically because of capitalism, or at least the bastardized, predatory kind of capitalism that the GOP espouses.

    Here's what the GOP cares about, in descending order:

    1. Tax cuts
    2. Tax cuts
    3. Tax cuts
    4. Deregulation
    5. Tax cuts

    Everything else they do is simply a means to that end. The modern day GOP takes trickle down economics as gospel and exists to make rich people richer, and they don't even pretend to hide it anymore. The fact that the current president is a mentally-unstable buffoon is not even really all that important when you think about it. No matter which Republican became president, their agenda was never going to change.
     
  20. Since1980

    Since1980 Well-Known Member

    If that were the House it would be one thing. Getting 20 sitting senators (a lot of whom are in deep-red states) to vote to kick a Republican out of office is a pretty big ask.
     

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