Robert Smith is my god***m hero!

You can't live on one income as a family anymore in the US. I saw a report recently that there is no place in the US where you can afford an apartment on minimum wage. So only the exceptional can afford luxuries like a roof over your head.

 

It’s clear for low-income earners. Let’s say college graduate with five years work experience who doesn’t live in one of the expensive areas. Food is very cheap, gas is cheap, clothes are cheap. In fact, many things are cheap in the US yet salaries are 4th highest in OECD countries. Switzerland ranks 2nd in salary but many essential things cost twice as much as in the US, yet many families live on one income or 1.5 incomes. Maybe Americans spend a lot of money or they have different financial goals in life.

 

That's not economic costs lol. Strict rules for college students, like not being able to switch majors and exclusion. You said NY has "free college" but 70 percent of the people that apply to that get REJECTED, that's a cost. Some of those people getting accepted wouldn't even go if they had to pay. So basically the government is filling up seats making less available for those that were going to go whether they had to pay or not. Those are the real soldiers. If I'm hiring, I would rather hire them.

Only the top students in Europe can even get into college and when they do the programs are very restricted. That's how it works, when you replace market forces with arbitrary rules. It costs those who are supposed to be getting something "free."

Economic costs take into account for OPPORTUNITY costs. You can't escape that unless you are infinite. I don't think you are, maybe Jesus Sanders is.

 

You are looking at polls? you are supposed to have more faith than that.

 

There’s no perfect country, no paradise. One thing might be better here, one thing there. Now that I live in Switzerland I appreciate Germany more although it’s not perfect either.
I’m happy though that I live somewhere where it’s not considered strange to take time out to take care of kids...be it both parents go part time or mums stay at home for a couple of years. With number 2 starting Kindergarten I’d probably have looked for a part-time job at this point if not for the fact that I’m expecting.
Oh and by the way school still has a two hour break over lunch time in this place so the kiddies can go home, eat lunch and come back. Obviously they assume mummy or grandma is at home cooking for them. That’s in inner Switzerland, in the bigger cities they actually do have lunch programs!

 

Unfortunately black folk think like consumers, they live in the present and have virtually no economy among themselves. Add employment discrimination to that and you're looking at a mess. The government can't fix that for us, we have to change the way we think. I'm not holding my breath tho.

 

In the European Union, there is generally a good family support system. Like payments for each child in education up to 18 years.
But couples still are struggling to get to the end of the month.
So people will say that they cannot afford to have a second child. We all know how the population is falling in many E U countries.
But there is also a cultural facet to this. Immigrants generally have large families, even though they are financially strained.
But children are important for them. The mother stays at home to take care of them. Its a question of personal priorities.

 

Let’s underline this three times. That’s the whole point. It’s about personal priorities. For many Europeans the priority is to travel and enjoy life and be free until it’s almost too late to have children. Not that it’s so bad here they can’t have children. Germany has way better laws for parental leave, affordable childcare, affordable healthcare etc than Switzerland, yet Switzerland has a higher birthrate.

 

Most young men now, do not wish to have children. As you say, they wish to be single and enkoy lif for as long as possible. And to concentrate on their carreer. But then its too late to have children. Or just 1.
Immigrants choose to have a family before everything else.
Then we criticise them for relying on the country. That they abuse our system.
Because they do not like us.

 

They might rely on the social system but we rely on them unless we want to get extinct.
In all fairness, most make ends meet themselves, except for very recent immigrants.
Europe has the best social security systems in the world (some countries more than others) but the lowest birthrates (with Japan). We have some collective psychological issues.

 

We are ver

We are very racist towards these immigrants who choose to have children.
As you say,we will become extint without these children.
And we need workers.

 

TDK thinks everything is completely subjective. TDK in the hard sciences: "I think it's time we amend Newton's Laws."

Of course when John Nash updated an economic theory, he used advanced math to prove his point. That's why they call it "proofs". Emotions and political bias doesn't mean squat.

 

I think between minimum wage and „exceptional“ there’s still a vast range in between, right?

 

In theory but not in practice
My fiance and I just got a place. When we through the available apartments out there even for two well educated people with decent jobs its insanely expensive. I'm talking 2500 for a one bedroom apartment. Granted its close to the train and water but even on the cheap side around 1600 is too much for a minimum wage earner to afford not to mention they want three months upfront along with a high credit score. The barrier to entry just to keep a roof over your head is high. This is why I constantly critique capitalism in its current form. Even if it works for me personally its not sustainable for the vast majority

 

Dude what on earth are you talking about?
Some things are subjective. Your pov would be against the minimum wage altogether. The popular thought before it was if employers had to pay workers more than they were willing to then they would logically hire less workers. No one seemed to account for multiplier effects where a robust work force not only produced more they also consumed more. Henry Ford (never mind his racisim for a second) recognized that by paying people a good wage they worked harder and also purchased the very thing they produced.
The system was not manifested into perfection we can recognize where it is failing and fix it. Isn't that the very purpose of engineering.

 

You telling me what my point of view is? You're practically arguing with yourself.

How's that going for you?

 

How about that post where your idea of "free college" is a rejection of 70 percent of applicants? Now how is it free if it's not available?

I thought we were discussing "free college"

Stop deflecting Bliss.

 

I'm giving away free Lamborghinis. Oh they are not available, sorry.