Random Political comments...

So much to unpack here. Did capitalism exist before corporations?
If corporations continue to exist the way they do with little regulation where do you think that leaves us?
Democratic socialism simply means a system in which the people regardless of income participate and benefit from the system. Its not a system of the rich where its a game of monopoly where realistically there's only one winner.
What do you think capitalism is?

 

You can criticize and IMPROVE the system its not zero sum.
90 years ago you could make a worker work 7 days a week no days off no vacation no sick nothing. Creating regulations that allow people to test made for better productivity and even more importantly freed people up to spend money on consumer goods making a better life for everyone.
Capitalism does not have to be a system of exploitation and wage slavery. Yes we enjoy the conveniece of online shopping but can say the way its being done isnt the best way lets change it.

 

I've already demonstrated much more of an understanding of capitalism than you have.

Your explanation of democratic socialism is empty and as vague as a vacuum. Don't you think you should have more to add? After all this is a system that you're talking about, and obviously the proponents of that system would rather for corporations to not exist.

No corporations = no capitalism. pure and simple.
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Is this not a true statement to you?

 

Stock options are rarely offered to associates and below. Where I work stock options are just stocks at discounted prices only offered to execs and outstanding performers ready to be execs which leaves the vast majority of workers out in the cold not to mention the focus of most companies right now is to reduce labor costs so workers either get paid less or are eliminated so how would they even participate. I also think you misunderstand a co-op. Much like share holders in a company they may have some input on who gets to be CEO but its usually up to a board to make those decisions and even more so they have zero input into who becomes a manager. Managers are usually associates who are promoted because they have exhibited excellence knowledge of the business.

 

Who elects the board?

 

No take a farm or even local bodega are they corporations or considered small businesses? The idea of a corporation is to be a monopoly a single source that has complete control leaving no options. Why do you think companies merge? Its all about market share control. That's the Amazon model they operate at a loss most years but they increase market share so there arent other options. You don't have to compete and the more shares you have the more equity. That's a corporation they generally operate like a virus. Destroy all resources and leave nothing behind.
Very few truly benefit from that model

 

I'm essentially talking about a pension plan. It could be matching what you invest or stock options. If you invest in their stock, there isn't much of a difference.

 

Really Beasty, I don't know of any serious people who are in favor of banning corporations. IMO the link you posted on Democratic socialism isn't how many who support it would define it.

I believe labor should always be a part of management and ownership of any corporations, which is what unions used to provide for workers.
Shareholders don't typically side with labor in most corporations, which is why labor needs its own representation.

Cops and firefighters have unions. Doctors are allowed to join unions. Actors have unions. Teachers have unions. All the major pro sports in America represent their players through unions.

Yet somehow most Americans have been convinced unions are bad for Fortune 500 companies and stunt business growth.

No, what they really do is force corporations to redistribute profits in a more equitable way for labor to benefit.

Working wages nationwide have been stagnant for over 20 years, which directly coincides with the elimination of corporate unions in America.

I wonder how you feel about pensions, which many AMericans were provided after retiring from white collar careers.

 

Nope. Corporations were created so that the managers don't necessarily have to be the owners. Any business wants more market share and control. That's how they grow and survive. Even coke dealers fight for market share. lol

 

Depends on the set up. It could be the founders of the business maybe even a union or workers. But even if it is the workers who choose the board members they don't get to vote them out on a whim. Both myself and my girl serve on several and the process to be chosen and even to leave is pretty rigorous. Also keep in mind if everyone is vested in the success of the business emotions tend to take control of situations less. The relationship is different workers arent simply commodities to be used and discarded they have on the ground input to make the business better and they are more inclined to do so to add value to their own share of the place.

 

Have you seen the American landscape lately barely anyone offers a pension. Pensions were a negotiation point to make workers stay. If you can possibly get cheaper labor elsewhere who cares if anyone stays.

 

This creates better options for financing!

 

That's why monopolies aren't allowed its only good for owners bad for consumers and labor.

 

So this is legal and it already exists Soo...........What on Earth is your argument??? Keep building them, if they are more efficient they will out compete the corporations and the corporations will go out of business.

 

You still think there's competition? Ok carry on

 

Yeah it's already disallowed under capitalism. Again.........what is your argument???

 

What's the point if they can't compete? Competition makes companies more efficient. Competition is everywhere even in the animal kingdom. Get mad at yourself for not accepting facts.

 

As I said before, I'm not opposed to unions. UPS does well with them. They still work hard tho.

You can't deny what's on THEIR webpage. Lol. At least post a link to your source.

 

Make the competition with your model Jeff roe. If your model is better it will win.

 

AMAZON and WALMART
Monopolies are absolutely allowed