Sexual Harassment/Assault Scandals

Of course there needs to be a social security system, that’s out of the question. But how much would you like it if your earned less than your partner only on the basis of your gender? It’s wrong.

 

Well I am very skeptical of the premise that managers are basing salary on gender since if that were the case why even hire men. Why aren't companies packed with Hispanic women who apparently do the same exact level of work as a white guy but for 43% less? We know beyond a shadow of a doubt a company's only loyalty is to itself and the bottom line is God so the notion that they work in a conspiracy to pay men more than women doesn't correlate with the evidence when it ships jobs to mostly female factories overseas but I digress.
I just find it interesting that what would help the most women doesn't come up but what helps the elite does. Poor women trying to feed themselves and their kids don't give two shits what other wage workers are making they just want to make enough to live. That's the immediate concern. They aren't worried about the fairness of whether or not they make 82k when a man doing the same work gets 100k. That's an upper middle class concern.

 

Not enough information. If she makes 300k and her peer makes more, how much more? Is it an annual salary or does he get higher bonuses? What is their work output? How many clients do they have and what is their worth? How many of their clients prefer to talk to him over her? How well connected is he? Does he network in the right places or come from the right family? Did he impress everyone earlier than her? Did he negotiate and she didn't? Too many variables to even list. I agree about helping impoverished women. But, feminism has always been about the white female bourgeois. My big question, is if you ask all of these variables will she answer honestly? Or will she embellish the truth a little. No gender has the market cornered on embellishment, but if a person feels like they should be getting more with no real proof that they should, they will embellish or leave things out. Which actually explains the use of debunked gender wage gap statistics.

 

Regardless I'm just pointing out how ridiculous it is for all the energy to be focused on equal pay for top earners. They aren't vulnerable or in need the same way.

 

I agree

 

Wowee. Imagine if Madeline had said race instead of gender. Both things we can't cobtrol.
Here would be your exact answer...

"Well I am very skeptical of the premise that managers are basing salary on race since if that were the case why even hire white people?. Why aren't companies packed with POC who apparently do the same exact level of work as white people but for 43% less? We know beyond a shadow of a doubt a company's only loyalty is to itself and the bottom line is God so the notion that they work in a conspiracy to pay Whites more than Blacks doesn't correlate with the evidence when it ships jobs to mostly minority factories overseas but I digress.
I just find it interesting that what would help the most POC doesn't come up but what helps the elite Whites does. POC trying to feed themselves and their kids don't give two shits what other wage workers are making they just want to make enough to live. That's the immediate concern. They aren't worried about the fairness of whether or not they make 82k when a White person doing the same work gets 100k. That's an upper middle class concern."

 

Hiring managers do discriminate based on race. We're not talking being hired we're talking wages where its a different animal. Most of the wage difference arguments are at the higher end of employment where less minorities exist in the hiring pool due to a slew of mitigating factors anywhere from over policing to living in poor areas so there isn't enough minorities to fill those rolls but lets take something like farming where the cheap labor pool is plenty its almost exclusively poor immigrants. The wage gap based on gender doesn't correlate. When a company can exploit poor people of color they do as I pointed out with farming. What reason would they have to give white men (those are the men we're talking about) more? Because of solidarity?
Btw your argument is tone deaf since women of color are women too so replacing women with poc leaves a large chunk of women they don't only come in white.

 

ORLY?
Seems it's across the board.

African Americans are paid less than whites at every education level
https://www.epi.org/publication/afr...id-less-than-whites-at-every-education-level/

High-tech pay gap: Minorities earn less in skilled jobs
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech...-hispanics-asians-african-americans/16606121/

Excerpt..
In the same high-skilled positions such as computer programmers and software developers, Asians make $8,146 less than whites and blacks $3,656 less than whites, according to the report from the American Institute for Economic Research.
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Your dismissal of obvious wage disparities for women vs men, by excusing it simply as 'mitigating' factors' as the reasons (rather than gender), when all studies point to cross-discrimination, is extremely sexist on your part. We see right, just like POC, women are also discriminated against in the work force.

 

The problem with all of these wage gap studies and statistics is that they make conclusions that the evidence doesn't necessarily support. Almost none of these reports are comparing one-to-one jobs.

For example, the article that talks about the tech industry is comparing all of the same types of jobs, but I can tell you that the tech industry can be super competitive and companies will pay vastly different salaries to different "superstar" employees based on perceived talent. Look at it like the NFL, Blake Bortles and Aaron Rodgers are both starting QB's but because Aaron is perceived to be a better QB he gets paid more. Because there are so few black and brown people in the tech industry as it is, there is a smaller pool of tech superstars pulling in big salaries to bring the average income levels up.

There is no doubt that racial and sexist discrimination happens in the workforce, but mislabeling things and misunderstanding the causes of wage inequality will only cause setbacks in correcting the problem.

 

You saved me a reply thanks.
Also another thing to point out is negotiating. A lot of times minority groups and women do not feel confident in being able to negotiate a better salary. In my experience white guys constantly swing for the fences and sometimes that shit works. Confidence plays a part. I negotiate totally differently than I did five years ago because one I'm very confident in my skill set and don't feel the need to beg. I have a proven track record and if you can't see my value your loss dummy. Secondly knowing I don't need the other party for my survival allows me not to think I have to take the first thing given. I think there in lies the major difference.

 

Exactly, a lot of minorities and women still feel like they don't want to rock the boat in an industry where they are outnumbered.

 

A lot also suffer from imposter syndrom which I get. Success is a weird beast we all chase after it but actually getting it comes with a different set of problems. Unless you're born into that shit it usually never feels quite right

 

Imposter 'Syndrome' is an issue that has affected women for multiple decades and continues to affect females..

In the 1970s, psychology professor Pauline Rose Clance noticed that many of the accomplished female students who sought counseling at Oberlin College, where she worked part time, had a curious mental habit. Despite strong track records, these women felt that they didn’t deserve their success. They attributed their achievements to luck and felt sure that they would be “found out” and kicked out of school. “I saw these people who had gone to the best schools, often private schools, had highly educated parents and excellent standardized test scores, grades, and letters of recommendation,” Clance later recalled. “But here they were, saying things like, ‘I’m afraid I’m going to flunk this exam.’ ‘Somehow the admissions committee made an error.’ … ‘I’m an Oberlin mistake.’ ”

These feelings were familiar to Clance herself, who had had similar thoughts during grad school. So she and her colleague Suzanne Imes began interviewing these women and eventually wrote up their findings in a paper called “The Impostor Phenomenon in High Achieving Women.” They theorized that women were uniquely predisposed to the impostor phenomenon, “since success for women is contraindicated by societal expectations and their own internalized self-evaluations.”
Clance later devised a scale to help identify people with impostorism, which asked participants how much they agreed with statements such as “It’s hard for me to accept compliments or praise about my intelligence or accomplishments,” “At times, I feel my success has been due to some kind of luck,” and “I often compare my ability to those around me and think they may be more intelligent than I am.”

 

Ya know, this kind of reminds me of all of the rampant white supremacy within feminism. Not to mention the double standards. Because those feminists are quick to say black people or black men are victimizing themselves, while simultaneously playing victim as often as they can. An interesting double standing I’ve noticed among alt-right feminists.

 

Well its all a power grab and I say let them have it. Let them lead themselves and be miserable. Gracefully bow out and do our thing. Date women of other groups who will appreciate us and leave them to their zaddy fantasies.

 

Sounds a bit like me when I was younger. Certainly didn’t do me any favour.

 

#Believehim?? Ronan Farrow?

A gay man who describes himself as a liberal Democrat is accusing New Jersey Senator Cory Booker of sexually assaulting him in 2014.

The alleged victim, who wishes to remain anonymous for now, penned a lengthy open letter that was posted on Twitter. In the letter, he describes the assault that occurred in a bathroom following a meeting at his workplace, where the two met.

The letter goes into excruciating detail.



"I stopped to use one of the building’s single-occupancy restrooms. Upon washing my hands prior to leaving, I hear knocking on the door. When it comes to these restrooms, it is customary to knock first in case someone is using it, even though there is an inner lock. When I opened the door, Mr. Booker was there. He smiled and very gregariously said, “Hey!” We engaged in some brief idle chitchat in the entryway and then he asked me to speak in private. What happened next, happened so fast that it was hard for me to comprehend what was going on. It was one of those surreal moments where what was happening was such a deviation and such a perversion of one’s natural daily routine that I hardly knew how to react. He pulled me into the bathroom, albeit not too forcefully, and slowly pushed me against the restroom wall. He said that “Being a hero was a serious turn-on.” He continued, “The Senate appreciates fine citizens like you. Especially this senator.” He then put his left hand on my groin, over my jeans, and began to rub. I seem to remember saying something like “What is happening?” It was a bit like having vertigo. He then used his other hand to grab my left hand with his right and pulled it over to touch him. At the same time, he disengaged from rubbing me and used his left hand to push me to my knees from my shoulder for what was clearly a move to have me perform oral sex on him. At that point, I pulled away quite violently and told him I had to go. I did not see him again before he left."


The victim says he contacted journalist Ronan Farrow, the "father of the #MeToo movement," who requested a phone conversation but never got back to him after the victim gave Farrow his number.

He also contacted a lawyer. Grabien reached out to the attorney who is mentioned in the letter:


Grabien News has reached out to the accuser’s attorney, Harmeet Dhillon, to verify he has consulted with her, as he described in the letter.


“All I can say at this time is that the man is considering his next steps and has no further comment at this time,” Dhillon told Grabien.


The victim gave his attorney the story along with some evidence. Here's what he says about that:



Once we established privileged communication, I told her my story; disclosing my real name and the details of my case. This included the precise date, location, some corroborating photographic evidence and two possible hearsay witnesses that I had told my story to subsequent to the incident. It was, at the very least, much more probative evidence than what was brought forth during the Kavanaugh debacle. Ms. Dhillon responded to me with respectful immediacy, offering candid advice and compassion tempered with pragmatism.


It should be noted that so far, major media outlets are silent on this story.
It could very well be they haven't seen it. But the victim doesn't think he will get much support from the #MeToo movement anyway:

"I’m not a woman. I do consider myself liberal but I no longer consider myself a Democrat. And the perpetrator of my story is a Democratic hero/2020 contender...hardly a tale that can be programmed, categorized or easily referenced by the modern American media apparatus. Especially one that caters to reductive, easy to follow narratives with a clear view of who is the good guy and who is the bad guy. So what recourse does that leave someone like me? Do I continue to engage with Ronan Farrow? I have no idea if he’s giving me the run around. Nor do I have any guarantee that his political ideology will not color his objectivity as a journalist. In light of the Ramirez story, it's clear that that is a distinct possibility."

GET ON IT, CNNMSNBCABCCBS!

 

Fuck all of these hoes. They're after Neil Degrasse Tyson now and of course over some shit they said happened ages ago.

While they kowtow to daddy they attack the most visible positive black men out here. To the ladies that have been sexually assaulted before. I'm sorry, but I hope you see who the real enemies are here. Damn shame.

To the racist skank bitches. If there is a hell. I hope it grabs you by the pussy.

 

True

 

And while they're going after him keep in mind of the all the white men they are still giving passes to. They are REAL selective with white guys, but are going after every single black guy they can find.