Movies with BM/WW Couples

Let's hold up for a moment. There has never been a "safe" pairing of a black man and white woman in Hollywood films before. Not just with lead characters but in supporting roles or bit parts too. Any suggestion of a black man and a white woman being in a relationship of any form has pretty much been taboo. This casting may seem blase safe to you guys but it is a step in the right direction.

That being said this isn't even the biggest Jolie news this week. It has been confirmed that Chiwetel Ejiofor has been cast as Jolie's love interest in he sequel to "Maleficent".

http://thathashtagshow.com/2018/05/exclusive-chiwetel-ejiofor-in-talks-to-join-disneys-maleficent-2/


Tyler James is cast as the boyfriend of a white lead in a romantic comedy

https://deadline.com/2018/05/tyler-james-williams-sarah-hyland-the-wedding-year-movie-1202399230/


And its fullsteam ahead for an updated Jack Johnson film which will of course deal with BMWW relationships too.


https://deadline.com/2018/05/jack-j...reen-oren-moverman-giannina-scott-1202401310/

 

Hollywood has become lenient towards as long as it is done in a way that doesn't show any affection, love, ect. it's acceptable to those certain white males in Hollywood. Family movies are usually safe with any couple is the main reason I said that. But remember even though Guess Who's Coming To Dinner is considered groundbreaking they too had to make sure the relationship was done to obviously a white man's comfort. That is why the one and only kiss was silhouette. That pleased white men especially white men in Hollywood that was allowing this film to take place. Do you think a black man would've done a kissing scene like that? And have it be the only kiss?

It's the same with some of these TV IR couples that seem to be unstable, hardly romantic or involve a love triangle with a white man. That is their comfort level involving bm/ww IR couples. Not every racist wants black men and white women COMPLETELY away from each other. Some of them have this comfort level to what degree they are okay with IR couples.

But with that said like I said I'am looking forward to it sounds good on paper. Looking forward to those other movies as well, but the Jack Johnson project might be difficult to make into a biopic feature film. If you ever seen Unforgivable Blackness you would know how complex this man's life was with SO MANY layers to his story and really good and important stories as well. I personally would love to see it turned into a mini-series maybe like in the way Ryan Murphy does his American Crime Story series.

 

Last year in this thread we discussed a theory about Hollywood is more willing to allow big name film actresses to be involved in IR onscreen when she's older & past her physical prime. These 2 Angelina Jolie casting announcements keep in line with that theory.

 

Almost forgot about that part too! Your right. Although some mainstream actresses in their prime made it through those cracks. lol. Margot Robbie is a good example.

 

I found myself thinking the very same thing when I saw young and tender Angelina Jolie as a nude love interest of old ass Danny Aiello of "Do the Right Thing" and "Harlem Nights" fame back in the 1990's . . . but they made sure too put Denzel's ass in a wheel chair when they starred together just a few years later in "The Bone Collector" lol. Angelina even did that Civil War made for TV movie back in the 1990's where she played a plantation heiress but no IR love scene was tenable for her and her favorite slaves (damn the powers that be all to hell!!)

For me the prime Angelina was wasted doing vanilla movies while married to Billy Bob Thorton. Imagine if this movie were set in New Orleans, LA with a predominantly black cast rather than Montreal, CN: ~ just replace the mother of the antagonist with Ruby Dee and replace the antagonist Ethan Hawke with Don Cheadle and what a box office hit this movie may have been! That IR love scene with Angelina's white, creamy blessings clapping together as Don puts it to her would have been SPECTABULOUS!!!!

 

^^ Now that you mentioned that film Bone Collector she also had a black love interest in the movie Hell's Kitchen. It was Mekhi Pifer where it featured a topless sex scene with a white man, but not only no kissing or love scene with Mekhi, but if I remember correctly they had very few scenes of affection overall for them to be lovers in the film.






But this is what I mean by Hollywood having a comfort level with black men and white women onscreen. There are things they're comfortable with and there are things they are not comfortable with black men and white women interracial relationships being portrayed in films... especially with mainstream actresses. Now days you still see certain things like this, but now some of these racist in Hollywood don't mind showing affection & intimacy between a black man and a white woman onscreen just as long the relationship either doesn't work out, involve cheating or it is a love triangle with a white man.

 

But here's the thing...even that's a rarity. Also isn't it ironic that this mirrors interracial dating of white hollywood actresses : they are more prone to step out with black men, those rare times they actually do, once they are well into middle age.

 

Beat me to the punch on this one. I always remember this movie because Jolie was at her hottest during that time. This was a blind rental for me and I was caught by surprise to find out early in the film that she was playing Phifer's girlfriend. But I grew disappointed as I realized someone (studio, director) wasn't too comfortable with this and gave Jolie the hot scenes with everyone other than Phifer. The closest to physical intimacy she got with Phifer came in a crowded car scene just before a robbery. The two characters kiss but it was blocked in such a way you couldn't really see it or tell if they were kissing at all. Utterly ridiculous.

 

You can't blame that on race though. The film was based upon a series of books in which the protagonist was in a wheelchair and white as well. They did racebend casting and picked Denzel for the part and kept the story the same. Now, what you can say is that sine there was no chance of sex between the two characters, casting Denzel was not that risky of a move.

 

WHAT
IN
THE
WORLD?!?!?!?

I had this movie in my hands years ago at a store but wouldn't buy it because I was cynical about its IR content as I knew for sure that if such IR content existed that this movie would be better known . . . that was my logic for not purchasing it. So there was no romance at all for these two newlyweds?!?!?!? Now I have to watch it on Kodi because the box never even implied that Mehki Phipher and Angelina Jolie would be paramours at all!!

Damn . . . damn . . . DAMN!! That fat old fucker Danny Aiello gets to have casual sex with Angelina back in the same decade of the 90's but Mekhi doesn't even get to kiss the bride?!?!? Newlyweds should credibly be fucking and sucking their hearts out so how did this transpire?!?!? I have to watch it now lol

 

Wish Spike Lee had been hired to direct this movie lol. He would have delivered something timeless for a film that no one really saw or remembers because of its wasted IR potential and unbelievable lack of romantic realism. Its worse than that Tiger Woods parody financed by Adam & Eve where Kayden Kross is cast as Elin Woods but refused to do a love scene with her black husband . . .I argued that such a scene would serve as the emotional pivot/catalyst for her vengeful angst and outburst when she chased Tiger into the driveway while brandishing his favorite 5-iron and breaks his windshield . . . without the legitimacy of their love scene on film how was the audience to connect with them as a couple and her righteous outrage when she learns of his repeated betrayals with Waffle House waiteresses?? She said" Don't worry about who I choose too fuck on film" or something to that effect. Bitch, you are supposed to be his loving yet wronged wife and the mother to his kids . . . they should have cast someone else SMDH.

 

Are you talking about Tiger's Wood? I had not seen it but saw the poster.

 

Charlize Theron has been done in kind of the same way. Don't forget about the deleted kissing scene in Hancock with Will Smith. And her thrown away sex scene with Idris Elba in Prometheus.


They be thinking about what racist people are comfortable with when it comes to portraying black men, white women interracial relationships onscreen. Instead of you know, interracial relationships.

 

I meant to mention this when we first started this conversation, but I seen Annihilation last week and turns out I was right

http://www.whitewomenblackmen.com/f...al-sightings-on-tv.9970/page-103#post-1079974

Her short and terrible sex scene with the brotha she was having an affair with shouldn't even be called a sex scene because they weren't even in the same shot. So you can pretty much say they probably wasn't even in the same scene. She was seen from the back nude on the bed in the cowgirl position suppose to be "riding him" but you never see him not even hands on her hips or back. Then they showed a shot of him laying down looking up at her with no sign of her in the shot whatsoever. But she was kissing and frolicking around in her underwear with the latino guy playing her husband. Pointless sex scene if you don't want the actors in the same shot. Hell what was the point in even making him black if you didn't want to be in the same shot with him in a intimate scene? Well, critics did praise this movie for it's female characters and RACIAL DIVERSITY! So there you have it. Remember she was a producer on this movie as well. Let's not lose sight that some of these actresses, especially mainstream ones with some power think like the racist white men in hollywood when it comes to black men. To me that sounds like they had a discussion in casting and came down to a compromise of what would make Natalie comfortable with a black man being her lover in a affair.

But when you get critics not only blinded to that, but applauding it for it's diversity you can get away with it.

 

I saw annihilation in the theater and enjoyed it. Not sure if a graphic sex scene was necessary. Not having the characters have any intimacy was a contrast to her relationship with her husband.

 

I kind of agree, but I'm talking about how the sex scene was more than likely filmed. Not even in the same shot speaks to what I said that Natalie Portman probably didn't want a black man touching her in any intimate way, especially when she is nude and in a sex position. But I think they threw it in there so that viewers could see what was they alluding to about her saying "she owed him that." She cheated and had an affair. They handled an affair that went on for awhile in such a cold manner too. She was so standoffish to him during their entire scenes together he should've been just a fuckbuddy. lol. But they failed at capturing their relationship, even though it was an affair there are feelings in affairs. Any other time we seen those captured with more substance. And seeing it as too much to have a black man and a white woman even in the same scene of intimacy was more unnecessary than a graphic sex scene.

 

I don't know about this, my man. You seem to be suggesting that Portman was in control of all of this. She was working with an auteur who had total control of the film as well as final cut. If anything he was the one calling the shots. Look, the script was always what it was, these characters were always what they were, their actions were always what they were. I'd be willing to bet that the man her character had an affair was not initially conceived as black in the script. They likely gave him the role because he was able to audition for it and won out. Now if you want to point out that it is pretty convenient and gutless for them to give the black guy that part rather than say the husband role then I can see where you're coming from. That being said I don't think the intention was to ever have some sex romp scene between her and the dude she was cheating with; it wasn't that type of film. It doesn't matter if their "sex scene" didn't have them in the same shot. It was all about evoking memories and the director chose specific angles to best convey the mood IMO. The scene was shot with blue light if I remember correctly to convey a coldness. My counter to your critique is that in the past 30 years they wouldn't ever allow the implication of a white female lead having a relationship or sex with a black guy at all; that would have been seen in the past as a sure way to for audiences to lose sympathy entirely with this character for good. So this is a glass half empty/glass half full scenario. It depends on the person observing. You think of it is an intentional slight that ended up being insulting. I think of it as baby steps in the right direction, a slow but sure sign of progress in that even if the affair was deemed a mistake, the film presented a scenario in which a black male lover was an option at all for a central white female character.

Last of all I can't accept this theory that Portman was the one who made demands that the black actor would not be allowed to have physical contact with her. Unless we have proof of that why go there? Portman isn't someone known for love scenes anyway, especially not of late, so I could buy her being uncomfortable with such things but not because of the race of the men she will have scenes with. Her being a white feminist is not solid evidence of anything. There is no evidence that no-sex-with-black-men is some widely known stance of white feminist actresses. Hollywood's double standard racism on the other hand is another story entirely.

 

Are you saying this in support of her and the film because you liked it? I'm being totally neutral here. The affair played a major role in her decision making throughout the film again remember she said about being there in the first place was that she owed him that, the exact words being “I owed him, so I went in." and that is when they cut away to the sex scene. The black guy(Daniel) alluded to them having an affair for an extended period of time and was even still pursuing her in the beginning and sold the affection better than Portman. In their final scene together she was cold as if that was the one night stand when they have been carrying it on for awhile. That is not progress my friend, would you call the movies we talked about prior as progress. Again this is one of the comfort levels with some of them. Take away the interracial would you be okay if hollywood wanted to keep screen time to black co-stars at a minimal and call it progress. Be careful what you are good with as it could very well stay like that and matter of fact that is one of the reasons why you still have some producers in Hollywood doing IR between black men and white women how they see fit, especially with lead roles. What you would call progress they could very well turn into and HAS turned into "The Ceiling", another barrier. Racist are good for putting up barriers. Do you really think they would've done it the same way if it was a white man she was cheating on her LATINO husband with. That could very well what they want you to believe, be careful what you turn a blind eye to. Filmmakers has mastered the art of illusion and psychological advantage over their audiences. On the TV show Life Sentences her character had a fantasy of having an affair with a white Doctor on her black husband and they filmed the fantasy sex scene between her and the white doctor she had feelings for with kissing, fondling and clothes being tore off. So think about that, brotha.

And Natalie Portman, what you just said was kind of a contradiction(I highlighted it.) if you could buy her being uncomfortable with sex scenes as to reason why it was filmed the way it was then that means her demands were met. Plus again she had an intimate scene with the guy playing her husband; in her panties, him shirtless frolicking around and kissing each other. She's not shy from love scenes. Now you could point to the fact she was nude from behind in the sex scene, then why not argue that with the producers? Again if her comfort demands were being met? Some say the "sex scene" was unnecessary and I see a attempt at a sex scene that was done poorly due to behind the scenes issues... because the the affair was presented to the audience in such a poor way! And that's why some people like you guys probably think it was unnecessary, not paying attention to her and David Gyasi's mysterious scene in the beginning where he invited her to a cookout over his family's house, their long affair being mentioned and her alluding to the affair with Daniel which led to the sex scene. They had to give the audience something about that encounter with Daniel(David Gyasi) in the beginning and give meaning to what she meant by she owed him that, as that was the reason why she went into the shimmer. That was the main reason why she went in. This was just done poorly so I understand how some missed it and didn't understand the "sex scene."

Natalie Portman has very little to do with racial diversity in Hollywood when asked a question about it I think a year ago she categorized people as "women and minorities". Her crack at the all male nominees at the Golden Globes was tone deaf as she then awarded the best director award to a Mexican Director. You could see that in a different way, but to me when people talk like that as if women and minorities are two separate groups and failure to notice those MALE minorities it speaks of
BLITHE RACIAL IGNORANCE. One of the problems with #MeToo and #TimesUp are the blithe racial ignorance that some of these white actresses behind it have. Don't forget Emma Stone tried the same "All Male" thing at the Academy Awards in a category where Jordan Peele was one of the very few Black Directors nominated. Some of them don't understand or care that Hollywood is a WHITE man's world not a black man's world. And because of that blithe racial ignorance they think they know what they are talking about.

We can't be blind to mainstream white actresses just because they're white and pretty... and in the spotlight and are having very little interaction with a black man and think that means something. It isn't just white men in Hollywood. Hell it isn't just white men overall that are uncomfortable with black men and white women being together.

but out of curiosity what white mainstream actresses do you see that are white feminist?

 

You guys are making some very valid and compelling points about "Annihilation" lol. I have to see it fr myself before I weigh in though. In regards to another sci-fi release recently referred to Alien Coventant (sequeal to Prometheus) had an IR nude love scene in it but . . . .

Spoiler

SPOILERS ~






The brotha got ate by the alien monster as he was just about to slip his tip in her oh la la la (SMFH)

 

Yeah, that was tough. But at least while they were kissing in the shower they were in the same shot. lol.