Bill Cosby Rape Accusations

Nope, not really. When it comes to actual malice as a legal term of art, it's really hard to prove. People say outlandish things about politicians all the time and never get sued for it. There's a reason for that.

Sued who and won?

 

While l would normally agree, Bezos is a huge donater to the DNC and he could pull it in a second.

Btw, that flat earth Society thing...l recall recently seeing it in articles because of the Rapper who thinks its flat, who got into it with Neil Degrasse Tyson on twitter ..
It's nonetheless interesting to read, to say the least.

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39575680

 

I don't think it was a cover up. I don't think the women were speaking out. Nothing can be done if no one is saying anything. I'm not into reading all the information that has been out there, but from what I've seen, a great number of them have come out very recently. Some said things in more recent years, maybe someone said something back then....but there weren't 54 women who were going to the cops saying they were raped throughout the years.

It's kindof a bizarre thing to go back in time and decide what was right or wrong based on how things are now. I never thought it was ok to drug or booze someone up to have sex with them, but it's been going on forever and it certainly was not considered rape until recent years. There was no such thing as "date rape" or any of that until very recent years. If you knew the person who raped you, worked with them, socialized with them, went out with them, etc then whatever happened happened and there was no rape charges. Not to mention swingers, rape fantasy, etc. I think we talked about Heff and his infamous parties in this thread at one point. There were all sorts of very questionable things going on all over the place. I think the question becomes more about why this, him, and now?

 

That suit was filed in the U.K., not the U.S. (excluding the suit against the Mail Online). I'm only talking about U.S. law.

 

Again I totally hear you but to give you context I bring in a sizeable amount of money to my company. You guys have seen me talk about bitcoin along with other cryptocurrencies until I'm blue in the face on here. I've predicted gains of up to 1300% returns. I think other black men on the forum can attest to the fact that no matter how well we do for them no one is going allow dozens of rapes go on and still stand behind us. I've just never seen a black man that valuable to any organization ever in my life. I get fame allows for certain treatment but not felonies and not while you're black.

 

Fair enough.

 

Again - I don't think anyone was saying rape until very recently. So much of the conversation is moot. If they women weren't talking to anyone, or just doing the knowing nod or bit of conversation (more to stay away from the creeps) then there simply wasn't any dozens of rapes going on for all intensive purposes....there weren't any. It wasn't addressed in any way because it wasn't being brought up.

 

Well apparently as recent as 2005 he was accused I wonder why it got traction a whole decade later.

 

To be fair not all the women who came forward claimed rape. Kathy Lee Gifford and Carla Ferrigno said he kissed them or tried to.

That's ridiculous because it dilutes true rapes, which are the issue here. Most all women have been groped, asses pinched, or had men try to kiss us or hug us when not invited to. Its something we've put up with and we dont go to the police nor should we.
But actual rapes are so violating, going to the police in the 60's and 79's against a movie star? Forget that. The trial alone...would be vicious and rape all over again.

"....When Black Enterprise magazine published a cover story on African-American pitchmen in 1981, writer Stephen Gayle reported that the deals earned Cosby more than $3 million a year. As Anthony Tortorici, Coke's chief of public relations, put it: "The three most believable personalities are God, Walter Cronkite and Bill Cosby."..

And there you have it.

 

Because a man said it...

Bill Cosby Rape Accuser: Why Didn’t People Care Until a Man Spoke Out?

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  JOSH FELDMAN NOV 13, 2014

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  https://www.google.com/amp/www.medi...-didnt-people-care-until-a-man-spoke-out/amp/

Ps: In Philly we knew about the Constand case...it was a sickening read at the time when the Paper exposed the lawsuit.

 

I think there is more going on that prompted this in the past year+ when it all gained momentum. I think he pissed some people off and this is a way to destroy him.

(Posting at the same time as Bliss. While I think Buress may have helped fuel Allred and daughter along with the others, I think it's much deeper than that and it was a convenient way to go)

 

Look I'm not saying he wasn't a valuable asset but if you replace him with other big draws like Sammy Davis Jr who couldn't go into a pool without them draining it afterwards I have a really hard time that racists who weren't making money with him wouldn't take him to task. Like I said if they were poor black women or any other women of color I'd believe it without thinking twice but he was doing this white women some of whom were either high profile or married to high profile men. The law of averages doesn't even allow for that. It's just so intricate and involved and literally all these people said nothing?

 

Even now, many won't or can't deal with facing their rapist and going through the trial and all. (Not even talking about in regards to a celebrity)

 

Again..who said they said nothing? You've been told over again that a few went to the police....Cosby was believed. Most told their friends or mothers.

Without going into full details, I have a family friend who was repeatedly raped by her school teacher and when she told her mother, the mother didn't believe her.
You hear it all the time when it comes to sexual assault - women are not believed. Our clothing is questioned, our behavior is questioned - for God's sake a woman was raped in the shower while on vacation and she was blamed for putting herself in that position by members here, including by a female member.
It's easy for you to sit here and say go to the police, go to the police...look how many years OJ got away with beating up Nicole..the cops coddled him.

 

Like I said before Bliss I've been black in this country far too long to believe that white people would turn a blind eye to a black man raping a white woman especially during that era. They've burned down entire communities for less, lynched people for less, convicted for less. Well I guess we can agree to disagree

 

Mother Of Bill Cosby Accuser Says He Told Her 'I Sound Like A Perverted Person'



NORRISTOWN, Pa.—Even though it was years ago, Gianna Constand remembers the exact moment her daughter, Andrea, told her that she had been sexually assaulted by Bill Cosby. She was driving to work and Andrea called, yelling into the phone that she had PTSD. Gianna Constand had no idea what was going on and asked her what was wrong. Her daughter called Cosby a “bad word,” she said, and then told her that she had been drugged and raped.

Andrea didn’t want her to get off the phone, saying, “Mom, you have to hear me out,” Gianna recalled on the stand Wednesday, the latest witness called by the state in Bill Cosby’s criminal trial. She promised her daughter that she would do just that, but she couldn’t talk while she was driving. They hung up, and the elder Constand could see she was already shaking. She called her daughter back as soon as she got to her office.

“I could tell she was in a really panicky state of mind,” Gianna Constand said. “I guess by that point I was too.”

Her daughter would tell her what happened, and what came in the following days comprised much of Gianna’s testimony on Wednesday in a Montgomery County courthouse, where Cosby’s trial on three counts of indecent aggravated assault continued. Gianna Constand took the stand after the long, detailed cross examination of Andrea, who never lost her composure or gave Cosby’s defense a big “gotcha” moment even though it dragged for several hours yesterday and five more today.

Remembering the day her daughter called, Gianna Constand said the first thing she did after hearing what happened was demand that her daughter give her Cosby’s phone number. At first, she recalled, her daughter said no because she was afraid Cosby might do something to their family.

“She was scared. She was. I was too,” Gianna Constand said. “But I think the motherly instinct kicked into me and I said, ‘Andrea, if you don’t give me his phone number I am going to get on the next flight down and I will talk to him.’”

After Andrea relented, Gianna Constand called Cosby and left a message. As they waited to hear back, they got worried, she said, and wondered if they needed a lawyer or when they should they call the police. Gianna Constand said they reached out to her son-in-law, a police officer in Canada, about what to do.

And Cosby called back.

Gianna Constand said she believes the phone call lasted for about two to two-and-a-half hours, during which she described herself as “really, really angry and just in another state of mind.” She asked him what medication he had given her daughter, and why did it make her so sick? Cosby avoided her questions, she said, telling her that he needed to look at the prescription bottle. But later, he said he couldn’t read the bottle and would mail her the name. She never got anything like that in the mail.

Then he told her to put her daughter on the line, and Andrea Constand did pick up another telephone. He told Andrea Constand to tell her mother what had happened, but Andrea didn’t say anything. So Cosby started to give his account, in very graphic detail, all while referring to Gianna Constand, she said, as “mom.”

“He said that he was touching her breasts, and he said to me—he called me mom throughout the whole conversation—‘but don’t worry, mom.’ He said there was no penile penetration, just digital penetration,” Gianna Constand said. “He was talking about it almost like he was telling me, repeating to me what he did to my daughter, trying to make me believe that it was consensual or that it was okay by her. In other words, manipulating it.”

Gianna Constand testified that he said he felt bad telling her this, and “I sound like a perverted person.” She said she responded by telling him that she just wanted to know what he had done to her daughter. Cosby responded with more graphic details, even telling her, she recalled, “Mom, she even had an orgasm.”

Her daughter, still on the phone, stammered out a few “I... I... I...” and then hung up.

Gianna Constand said kept going, telling jurors, “I got very aggressive. I was very rude. I was very aggressive with him.” She kept saying, “Tell me what you gave her.” But Cosby started storytelling, she said, and trying to veer the conversation off topic. She did not relent, and kept asking: What did you do to Andrea? Why did you do this to her? What if she had died? At some point, she said, Cosby realized “the game was over.”

“I told him, from the beginning, I don’t care for storytelling. I don’t want manipulation. I want you to tell me the truth, and I want you to be honest because I have zero tolerance to any kind of game playing. I just wanted him to tell me the truth,” she said. “I felt like we had been on the phone long enough. We had covered many things about his personal life, where he admitted that he was a sick man.”

“He admitted he was a sick man?” District Attorney Kevin Steele asked.

“Yes,” Gianna Constand replied.

She told Cosby that she wanted an apology, and he did apologize to her and Andrea, she said.

At this point during her testimony, Gianna Constand finally needed to stop. She put her hands in her face, for just a moment, and then recovered. She was ready again. Steele asked her if she wished she had done anything differently.

“I wish I had recorded it,” she said.

The recorded phone call
After the first phone call, Gianna Constand went out and got a recording device at RadioShack. When Cosby called again, she turned it on. The recording was played back in court on Wednesday. With Cosby not expected to testify, it might be the only time that the jurors hear his voice during the trial.

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... The call started out with Cosby asking if Andrea Constand might still be interested in pursuing sports broadcasting. Then he paused and asked if Gianna Constand is hearing any beeping.

Oh, that’s probably her parrot, she told him, or the call waiting from another call (and she later told the court that, yes, she has a parrot named Ozzie). The recording continued, mostly with Cosby asking questions about Andrea Constand going back to school. He talked about laying out a plan for her, brought up graduate school several times, and mentioned the importance of Andrea Constand keeping a 3.0 GPA. He said he wanted to discuss it with Andrea.

“I was just worried about one thing,” Gianna Constand said near the end of the recording. “Are you really going to send me on a piece of paper the name of that stuff or not. Or were you joking.”

“No, no, no,”Cosby replied. “We can talk about what you asked for later.”

She tried to bring it up again, but he said no, not now. He wanted to focus on “the other thing.” Someone would call them, he said, about setting up a meeting for them. Then the recording ended.

Afterward, Gianna Constand answered a few more questions from Steele, saying again she wished she had recorded that first call. He asked her why she was so aggressive when she was on the phone with Cosby, and that’s when—after having to recall so many difficult conversations—Gianna Constand started to cry. She stopped her testimony and searched for the tissues, finding them and dabbing her eyes before she answered.

“He had mentored her and they were good friends. She viewed him like a father, he was 10 years older than Andrea’s own father. And I was obviously very distraught at the fact that he did that to to her, but [also] that he drugged her,” she said. “Because she is a very... she was always a very healthy girl. She did not believe in a lot of alcohol and drugs. And just the fact that he betrayed her.”

“I find you’re testing my memory on irrelevant things”
That mother instinct Gianna Constand mentioned during her first round of testimony? During cross examination, she showed it.

When defense lawyer Angela Agrusa asked her if Cosby, in their first conversation, was perhaps trying to explain to her that he had not drugged and raped her daughter, Gianna Constand replied, “At the beginning of the conversation, until he realized he couldn’t fool me.” When Agrusa pushed back, noting that Cosby had said he wanted Andrea to tell the truth, Gianna Constand didn’t miss a beat, saying, “Of course, because he wasn’t going to tell the truth.” To Agrusa emphasizing that it was her daughter, not Cosby, who quickly left the first the call, Gianna Constand reiterated, “She didn’t stay on the call when she realized he wasn’t going to be honest.”

She pushed back again when Agrusa suggested that Cosby’s “sorry” might have been really him expressing regret about getting into a relationship with Andrea Constand. “No,” her mother said, “not at all.” Another line of questioning also didn’t phase her.

“He was sorry you were so upset?” Agrusa asked.

“He was sorry for what he did,” Gianna Constand answered.

Agrusa asked if she lied when she told Cosby the parrot might have caused the beeping. Gianna Constand still wouldn’t fold, drawing light chuckles from the courtroom crowd. After all, Gianna Constand said, Cosby never asked her if it was being recorded. He asked her if she heard a beep, and she figured maybe it was the parrot or the call waiting—and one of her daughters almost surely was calling her right then, she said, because they knew she was talking to Cosby.

“You feel like you didn’t lie?” Agrusa asked.

“I didn’t lie,” she said.

Near the end, Gianna Constand ended an entire line of questioning about what she remembered by saying, “I find you’re testing my memory on irrelevant things.” At that point, Judge Steven O’Neill interjected to tell her, “Ma’am, you can’t comment back.”


Gianna Constand also gave, under questioning, this explanation for why there were things she didn’t know about her daughter’s life, and yet she knew everything she needed to about her daughter.

“I hadn’t lived with her physically,” Gianna Constand said, “but I lived with her every moment of every day.”

 

Here's an example of the shame ^^^

On sickly telling her mother "...she even had an orgasm"..

"He’s trying to gaslight the fuck out of her and her mom both - but he’s also torquing her arm hard. By making her relive the traumatic experience, twisted to sound like she wanted what he did to her, he’s saying look what I’ll do to you if you don’t stay quiet - even your mother will doubt you - this is just a taste of the shame and exposure you’re going to feel if you don’t stay quiet."

 

And men are less believed when it happens to them, put through the wringer with all sorts of questioning...including right here on this forum.