Man Hits Woman - Was he Right ? Or Wrong ?

Loki said:
You are wrong here GL, he turns to leave and then turns back of his own volition in response to something she said, not because she grabbed him. Then she pushes him
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Yeah you are right. he stepped and then she spoke. Then she pushed and slapped
 
goodlove8 said:
And as people say don't start nothing won't be nothing. I don't feel sorry for the chick. He shouldn't have followed her but never put your hands on anybody. Ever.

Also, I have a hard time with that statement. He didn't continue the attack. It was one punch. She continued the attack . The push/grab and shove. But as stated common sense and law dont go together
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We agree that everybody should keep their hands to themselves. He did not have to continue the attack for it to be unreasonable or excessive, I can almost guarantee you the prosecution will argue that the force he used that resulted in serious medical injuries when he was in no fear for his life or any real danger was indeed excessive.
 
So now you spoke of responsibility. As reasonable response. What responsibility do she have? None. If he had called the police it could've been a different matter as I stated before.

She blew smoke in his face and foolishly argued with her. She showed no effort to escape nor deescalate. She attacked him.

Again if he had called the police it would have been different
 
A defense could argue back that , using an analogy, u don't get to choose what weapon your opponent has. She knew what she was getting into when she raised her hands at a dude

The other problem is she wasn't in danger either. He didn't continue an assault . It was one punch.

I get What you are saying.. in court big difference

Loki said:
We agree that everybody should keep their hands to themselves. He did not have to continue the attack for it to be unreasonable or excessive, I can almost guarantee you the prosecution will argue that the force he used that resulted in serious medical injuries when he was in no fear for his life or any real danger was indeed excessive.
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No different from what I said about the girl in school who got thrown from her desk by the cop for not giving up the cell phone and not leaving the room, the girl should've gave up the phone or left the room when told.

You bring things upon yourself if you do dumb shit.

I don't feel sorry for that chick for getting rocked
 
goodlove8 said:
A defense could argue back that , using an analogy, u don't get to choose what weapon your opponent has. She knew what she was getting into when she raised her hands at a dude

The other problem is she wasn't in danger either. He didn't continue an assault . It was one punch.

I get What you are saying.. in court big difference
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In a court of law, a defense would have to prove his actions met the elements for self defense, an analogy or arguing that she should not have started the fight in the first place would not meet the legal requirements and would not be taken seriously by any judge. And again, one punch is more than enough to prove unreasonable or excessive force, especially given her injuries.
 
goodlove8 said:
I don't feel sorry for that chick for getting rocked
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You have repeatedly stated that you feel she got what she deserved and that you dont feel sorry for her. You are welcome to your opinion, as we have discussed before, we both feel that part of the benefit of this forum is to help guide and educate each other, so I do hope you understand the legal consequences that I and others have brought forth in this discussion and would encourage others (especially young men) to make the better, more intelligent choice to walk away if they ever find themselves in that situation.
 
Yeah I understand that why I said awhile back he was foolish for arguing with her however she gets no sympathy from me for instigating a fight. If I'm not mistakened it's not the first time for her. She has a record. I think since showed it

I predicted that in how her "friends" didn't intervene in the escalating fight. She steadily talking trash and they didn't stop her.

When I saw that I knew she had a history of this bs.

As we pointed we know the double standard. I put up a thread of men being abused by women and we had a lot of people scoff at that issue of women being abusers.

Look at women cheating in marriage. When she cheats it's the man fault..if a man cheats he's a dog.

A woman can kill a man a get a lesser sentence if the man does the exact same thing .

In a divorce a woman has to be on crack and robbed people before a man can be considered as the primary custodial parent.

So we know the deal
Loki said:
You have repeatedly stated that you feel she got what she deserved and that you dont feel sorry for her. You are welcome to your opinion, as we have discussed before, we both feel that part of the benefit of this forum is to help guide and educate each other, so I do hope you understand the legal consequences that I and others have brought forth in this discussion and would encourage others (especially young men) to make the better, more intelligent choice to walk away if they ever find themselves in that situation.
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GFunk said:
He did. Right before she pushed him. He turned away then turned back (I'm guessing she said something to call him back).
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That's before anyone touched each other, dude had all the time in the world to walk away after that initial push. When I watch it play by play I know why she pushed him, it was a defense mechanism because dude big as fuck in her personal space, that's what usually happens in those situations.
 
4north1side2 said:
That's before anyone touched each other, dude had all the time in the world to walk away after that initial push. When I watch it play by play I know why she pushed him, it was a defense mechanism because dude big as fuck in her personal space, that's what usually happens in those situations.
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The guy was normal conversational distance from her. He is at least the girl's arm length from her. He was no closer than some person at t mobile helping a customer. She was hunched over on the table making it look like he was hovering over her more than her actually was. Also, it's damn near instinct to come up close to the table when someone calls you to it. Most normal people aren't going to stand in the walkway.

He may have had time to turn around. Not enough to walk away.
 
Also, he was further away from her than when he initially walked up to her by the time she pushed him and he tried to walk away. Very delayed for a defense mechanism
 
Loki said:
Not so fast there, this is why non-lawyers should not speculate on legal matters, the law is RARELY cut and dry. Here is a common definition of "self defense", one that the state of Oklahoma probably uses.

self-defense

"n. the use of reasonable force to protect oneself or members of the family from bodily harm from the attack of an aggressor, if the defender has reason to believe he/she/they is/are in danger. Self-defense is a common defense by a person accused of assault, battery or homicide. The force used in self-defense may be sufficient for protection from apparent harm (not just an empty verbal threat) or to halt any danger from attack, but cannot be an excuse to continue the attack or use excessive force. Examples: an unarmed man punches Allen Alibi, who hits the attacker with a baseball bat. That is legitimate self-defense, but Alibi cannot chase after the attacker and shoot him or beat him senseless. If the attacker has a gun or a butcher knife and is verbally threatening, Alibi is probably warranted in shooting him. Basically, appropriate self-defense is judged on all the circumstances. Reasonable force can also be used to protect property from theft or destruction. Self-defense cannot include killing or great bodily harm to defend property, unless personal danger is also involved, as is the case in most burglaries, muggings or vandalism."

Now the prosecution in this case will argue that the force the football player used was indeed excessive and unreasonable due to the great disparity in weight, height and strength. In other words the law allows plenty of room for BROAD interpretation as to what is reasonable and/or excessive. Bottom line the only way to protect yourself is to not put yourself in the situation to where you are at the mercy of such interpretations, walk away from any physical confrontation with a woman...period!
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"unreasonable due to the great disparity in weight, height and strength." This is reaching, where in the paragraph does it take those into account?

He didn't beat her senselessly, he responded to the initial assault, then gave her a sort of bodily warning/gesture, she then proceeded to assault him this time slapping across the face, which he then responses to with a punch. This is perfectly reasonable and legal, he did not continue to pound her when she fell to the floor, he did not take out an weapon, he walked away after the incident. My only critic was that he didn't notify the authorities and file a police report.
 
MightyLighty said:

This is a perfect example of how defend yourself against an attack!
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That's a fail.....lol. By going down with her he left himself open to attack. He should have stayed on his feet while boxing. If the second girl had a weapon he would be dead.

Prefect? Lol
 
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