who is overrated

Omg

:smt005

 

What?

 

That doesn't make more sense than saying Prince was a product of his era. LOL

Fuck it. While we are at. Satchmo and Miles Davis were products of their eras. So was Parliament, Earth Wind and Fire, Mark Anthony, Gloria Estefan, Gerald Levert, Marvin Gaye, Al Green, Biggie and Nas :smt005

 

Okay, you got me. Poor wording on my part. What I'm trying to say is had Lil' Wayne came out in Pac's day, his subject matter would've been more substantial and that would've translated into him being more highly regarded as a rapper. But, he came in at the beginning of the Pop/Rap era when that's what the streets wanted to hear.

Look, I'm not saying Pac had no talent. He did. But he was more charisma and delivery than actual lyrical skill.

If we were to analogize him to anyone I'd say this; If Nas and Jay was Stevie Wonder and Micheal Jackson, than Pac was Rick James. Rick was talented. But not on the same level as MJ or Stevie.

 

Pac was not a technical MC.
Nas is a technical MC.

There

 

Very well said
I could never get into Pac. He was ok for me not one of the greats.
He influenced the culture but his lyrics were too simplistic for me

 

These fools today are garbage. Str8 garbage. You have an handful that's good like emiminem and jayz but the rest is str8 trash.

 

Maybe I came off wrong. Wasn't trying to nit pick semantics. I think I understood what you were saying about being "a product of his era" and was basically trying to say that Pac was no more a product of his era than those other artists. He was actually a pioneer. Even TDK who dosn't really like Pacs music confirmed it in his post below.

 

Tell us who you think the greats were/are. Expecting that to be a very short list, if it's somewhat logical. Already know Jay-Z is going to be on it tho. LOL. Oh yeah, just in case he does rap lyrics, spare us the Bieber guy. :smt042

 

Eminem Jadakiss Biggie Nas
My top 5 dead or alive

 

Not a bad list. Maybe I should listen to Jadakiss a bit more, I liked what I heard but never listened to the vast majority of his music.

Side note: Given how competitive the hip hop world is, lets remember the time Pac took on the entire east coast and not one single person fired back.

What theory do you guys have for that? It looked like respect or fear to me. Fear of getting embarrassed and loosing a career that is.

 

My Top 5 (no specific order)

Pac
Nas
Biggie
Big L
Red Man


Honorable mention to Raskass who is one of the best MC's I ever heard.
Honorable mention to Scarface.

 

Face is criminally underrated. One of the greatest story tellers ever in the game. RasKass is a monster on the mic too.

 

I was gonna put Big Pun and Scarface up there too just couldn't justify them over the others I picked.

Well to be real at the time I don't think it was Pac as much as it was Suge. Dude had a long history of disappearing people. He was a captain in one of the biggest gangs at the time and while dudes were safe on the east coast they didn't want that beef when going to the West for shows.
A lot of those guys on the East were street hustlers but they weren't straight up killers which is why a lot of those guys had like one guy who was known for that. Good example Bang Em Smurf for G-Unit.
I will say this though West Coast dudes only went after dudes they knew they could get away with doing that shit.
They went after Big and Puff because neither were true gully street dudes and at the time bad boy was more about recruiting radio hit talent they didn't have thugs on in the roster until the Lox
I notice no one ever went after Wu Tang Clan because their rep for hanging with straight murderers was well known they weren't soft. Reminds me a lot of G-Unit and Terror Squad. Say what you will but the streets out here know whose clique will body someone and whose doing it just for radio.

 

Agreed but dude can't make it to my top 5 definitely top 10 but I can't say with good conscience dude is better than Em Jay Nas Big or Jada.

 

I feel ya. Face is in my top 10 while the others listed aren't. His story telling plus Mike Dean producing half the shit at Rap a Lot make him one of my favorites and I've probably only heard life 30 percent of his catalogue.

"I Seen a Man Die" is one of the coldest songs I've ever heard

 

Johnny manzeil proved he was overrated.

 

No love for Redman? Perhaps you guys don't care much for metaphors? Rasskass was the only one colder with the metaphors than redman, but overall Redman is no joke!

 

Hell Yeah!!!

 

Good points for the most part.

@ the bolded Pac went after everyone but Wu-Tang. Pac's argument was that he spawned those guys and to be fair he couldn't say that about Wu because Wu really did have a totally unique style.