Jesse Williams' BET Speech did you catch it?

Discussion in 'In the Media' started by blackbrah, Jun 27, 2016.

  1. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

  2. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    That's like saying there isn't any point to talking about white privilege because white people have their own obstacles to deal with and even though their personal challenges may not be race they still endure hardships. When the conversation is about racial inequality brushing past the very obvious ways in which someone's looks gives them certain advantages is what's counter productive. We can't untangle the mess without identifying all the knots.
    And Jessie Williams himself has talked about light skin privilege, it's another marker that makes you more visible and likely to be heard not only by the power structure but by the oppressed since colorism is an issue all it's own amongst minorities.
    And there is something to be said about the non threatening minority why do you think Asians catch less problems from the overall power structure, the overall message is the closer to white the better and in a world dominated and obsessed with race a blued eye light skinned black man will enjoy certain privileges and be perceived differently than a darker skinned person.

    I get how talking to these mothers after tragedy strikes can color your perception but I've been a dark skinned person my whole life and I definitely see the difference in treatment. The terms house slave and field slave didn't exist by accident.
     
  3. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    And this is why I respect dude so damn much he is putting his livelihood on the line to speak out. If they didn't get him for speaking out about Ferguson they won't get rid of him for a speech at the BET awards especially him giving homage to black women, I guarantee Shonda Rimes ate that up. Dude ain't going nowhere.
     
  4. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    The point was to divide and it still works good obviously.
     
  5. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    White people have problems but it isn't because they are white. False equivalence would be an understatement.
     
  6. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Not at all because it's a dismissive mindset. "You think I don't have problems too" You think light skin people don't go through stuff. You're entitled to your opinion though.
     
  7. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    We are not talking about "problems" we are specifically talking about this racist system we all live in.
     
  8. MilkandCoffee

    MilkandCoffee Well-Known Member

  9. K

    K Well-Known Member

    I haven't been talking to the mothers, I've been listening to the dark skin Black fathers.

    I agree that all parts need to be acknowledged and addressed. It's funny because you and I actually seem to be in agreement. I just simply addressed Ricardo's comment about letting him know when lighter skin/eyed are followed around in stores and shot by cops by saying it happens every day. I don't think that means it's at the same rate as darker skinned, but it is happening. I understand colorism is a major problem. But that doesn't mean that lighter skinned people aren't being followed in stores or shot by cops. NONE of it is ok.

    I don't agree that it would be the same as saying white people have their own issues. Again, I just don't think it's productive for groups to further segregate themselves and feed more into the issue of colorism. You yourself made the comment about Black people being the most inclusive. I would agree. So then why devalue what a lighter skin man says about the issues. Is what he said valid? Should he not stand up and speak to the issues because he's lighter? Should it be dismissed or discounted because he's lighter? IDK, I happen to be one that thinks that ALL people (dark, light, medium, olive skinned, etc) should be standing up and doing something about it.

    I started all this by asking Ricardo who, how, and where he suggest the issues to be addressed in a better way. I asked what he suggested to solve the issues. I will ask the same of you.

    I just don't think turning against one another and picking things apart seems to be the way to do it. I think that just fuels the issues more and just gives those on the other side more ammunition.
     
  10. K

    K Well-Known Member

    Yes, isn't what's going on in this discussion evidence of that?
     
  11. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

  12. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    My point exactly
     
  13. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    You're misreading what I'm saying, all I was saying was that Ricardo had a point he wasn't wrong. The way you look can afford you privilege. If you talk about your child missing and my mother talked about her child missing you are far more likely to be heard simply because of how you look. I also said Jessie Williams walks the walk and talks the talk he's legit the real deal. He reminds me of Tim Wise in the way that he has access to white spaces and talks on the hypocrisies regarding race unapologetically. I don't really care who addresses the problems as long as it's being addressed but I will point out and support things I know to be true. You made it seem as if there were no difference as if light skin people and dark skin people are treated the same and the facts are they simply aren't.
     
  14. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Of course it was, less manual labor, less time in the sun, better food, better shelter during the harsh weather, often times being allowed to be educated by every metric it was far better than being a field slave.
     
  15. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    He was being used as a tool, still less than a man. How you can look at someone that's subservient and consider them privileged says a lot.
     
  16. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Cause I understand context. Within the context of slavery and the time they lived in you can objectively see who's life was less harsh.
     
  17. K

    K Well-Known Member

    I apologize if I misread what you said.

    I would also apologize if I came across as you stated in the bolded. That was certainly not my intention.

    I think I've made myself very clear (many times) that I don't think the way you stated at all. I don't really have the time or energy to spell it out in detail each time I post something in discussing racial issues.
     
  18. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    Having it less bad and being privileged are two different things.

    If massa infects one slave with syphills and the other with Aids for an experiment. Which one of them are privileged?
     
  19. Beasty

    Beasty Well-Known Member

    I'll wait......
     
  20. goodlove8

    goodlove8 Active Member

    A commercial about a ww and her biracial son....

    [YOUTUBE]3fTuP-MbpNs[/YOUTUBE]

    Racism is racism.

    Let's not play the "I have it worse cause I'm dark skinned versus you being light skinned"

    Just cause you have a white parent and a black parent you are black and you are going to catch it. Period.
     

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