Random Political comments...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bliss, Mar 6, 2013.

  1. Satchmo

    Satchmo New Member

    Well that's a lot of theory rhetoric but what exactly would you like America to do in relations with foreign countries?
     
  2. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    It is a lot of theory, but when both political parties act in nearly the same way in regards to foreign policy, it does make it more difficult to separate the two parties, don't you agree?

    As for what I would like America to do in relations with foreign countries is not elect a president who allows donations to her foundation make her foreign policy. :smt018
     
  3. Since1980

    Since1980 Well-Known Member

  4. Since1980

    Since1980 Well-Known Member

    This is about the most important consideration, by far. It doesn't matter how great his ideas are or how much you agree with them as long as you have a Congress that is guaranteed to completely obstruct anything Sanders would try to accomplish. We've seen that for the past seven years now and there's no reason to think that it will suddenly be any different with a President Sanders than it would be with a President Clinton.
     
  5. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    And who says Clinton will do anything in the interest of the people? She's bought and paid for our interests come last. The conversation shouldn't be Sanders is unelectable because congress will block him, we should be be discussing how we should come out and vote to change congress as well.
    I never understood why everyone treats voting as a chore in this country. People are literally dying all around the world to have their voices heard and for most people here its as simple as going to your local fire department or elementary school after work to change things.
    We shouldn't be looking for candidates who will cow tow to the obstructionist politics of the right. They are basically wrong and counter to the will of the people.
     
  6. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Agreed
    I honestly don't get why her supporters want her if Sanders is a choice as well
     
  7. goodlove

    goodlove New Member

    Agree. I don't understand why we can't have voting on the weekends.
     
  8. Thump

    Thump Well-Known Member

    Bill Clinton throws Obama's presidency under the Bus.

    This kind of "say anything to get votes" policy of the Clintons is why I don't support them.

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/21/bill-clinton-knocks-obamas-awful-legacy/82094792/

     
  9. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    ln light of the Terrorist Attacks in Belguim..

    Saw him interviewed on CNN..

    Malcolm Nance, author of the book DEFEATING ISIS.

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    5.0 out 5.0 stars
    " If you want to learn about IS or ISIS...,
    you are best advised to speak with Malcolm Nance
    who is a walking encyclopedia concerning ISIS... "


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    He is a 34-year veteran intelligence officer who has worked the Iraq mission since 1987,
    fighting in all of our Middle East wars since 1983.
    He has lived in and out of Iraq since 2003.

    http://www.amazon.com/Defeating-ISIS-They-Fight-Believe/dp/1510711848

    His other book...

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    I hope whomever wins the Presidency... they consult him.
     
  10. Bookworm616

    Bookworm616 Well-Known Member

    Yep. Voting is a right that we have that many don't have and we should all use it.

    I think it comes down to this: many people think their votes don't count, so why should they bother?

    The political parties in this country have done NOTHING to contradict that thought either.

    Look at the Republican side: they're threatening a brokered convention and alienating millions of voters who voted for Trump, and coming out and saying the voters don't pick the nominee, THEY do. WHAT???

    That doesn't bode well for Republicans.

    And on the Democrat side, they have "superdelegates" that will side with whom they want, not for whom the people want.

    The deck is seemingly stacked against us.

    Me neither.

    They're totally in "damage control" right now trying to say that what he REALLY meant to say was the last 8 years of Republican obstructionism - though for the first 2 years of Obama's presidency, did he not have a Democrat-led Congress?

    I think it was an subconscious slip from Bill that showed what the Clintons really think of Obama and his presidency.
     
  11. RicardoCooper

    RicardoCooper Well-Known Member

    The unspoken corollary to that is since Sanders is a white man, he'd be able to break the gridlock and work with Republicans
     
  12. RicardoCooper

    RicardoCooper Well-Known Member

  13. RicardoCooper

    RicardoCooper Well-Known Member

  14. Thump

    Thump Well-Known Member

    I left that out because Bill didn't make that clarification himself. Having an aide do spin control isn't the same as owning up to his own "mistake".
     
  15. Since1980

    Since1980 Well-Known Member

    Do you think that she'd be better than anyone running for the Republican nomination? Because if she gets the Democratic nomination and you decide to vote for a third party candidate or write in Sanders' name you might as well vote for Trump or Cruz. Trump would be a disaster for the average person because he has absolutely no concrete or coherent plans for anything and Cruz would be a disaster because, like most of the Tea Party types, he has no concern for anyone who isn't already rich. Just take a look at Louisiana and Kansas if you want to examples of disastrous trickle-down economics at work.

    If you're even remotely concerned about economic justice narrowing the income gap between the richest and the poorest I'd put Clinton ahead of any of the candidates that sought the GOP nomination. Again, is she perfect? Not by a long shot. But the perfect candidate simply doesn't exist anywhere. They never have.
     
  16. Since1980

    Since1980 Well-Known Member

    Maybe so, but let's not forget that the group who impeached the previous Democratic president over a blowjob is nowhere near as radical and obstruction-minded as the current group of Republicans in Congress. As long as the tea party controls a large part of the GOP I don't expect things to get any better anytime soon, especially since having a president who would be a self-described socialist and Jewish would give them an incredibly easy target.
     
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  17. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Fair points but what better way to see if your vote counts than by actually voting the whole process takes like 15 minutes and you can vote for multiple at once. Doesn't that seem like a fair trade to have a working democracy?
     
  18. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    We aren't at general elections yet. If Hilary gets the nom then I'll be forced to vote for because there isn't a Republican choice but while there's a chance its all about Bernie because I have yet to hear her talk about anything that concerns me as a voter that she didn't say after she already saw it was gaining traction with Bernie. She's vile but she's a better choice than Trump which is so sad that's all we're left with.
     
  19. Since1980

    Since1980 Well-Known Member

    I always think in terms of general elections lol. Barring a miracle Clinton is going to be the democratic nominee and unless the GOP wants an all-out civil war, Trump is going to be their nominee. It's like RC was saying earlier, both Clinton and Sanders vote the same way 93% of the time and once they're elected they'll probably end up having similar policies implemented before they've left office.
     
  20. The Dark King

    The Dark King Well-Known Member

    Fair enough lol
    Btw Obama was behind at this point too
     

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