Random Political comments...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bliss, Mar 6, 2013.

  1. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Lol, why are all the Vox reporters highlighted in it..so ..sweet?

    Side-note: Reading the first 50ish comments, 9/10 are against the YT host, or the DNC. Ouch.
     
  2. archangel

    archangel Well-Known Member

    Flynn Pleads Guilty To Lying To The FBI


    Lock him up , Lock him up!!!!!
     
  3. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Thusly, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals once again, overturned.
     
  4. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    'Israel is a sovereign nation with the right like every other sovereign nation to determine its own capital, 'Acknowledging this as a fact is a necessary condition for achieving peace.
    "It is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel,' President Trump said, urging calm and 'the voices of tolerance to prevail over the purveyors of hate.'
     
  5. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    SMH.

    This is what happens when you assign your Zionist SON IN LAW to be your chief liaison on Israeli affairs.

    Trump idiotically just helped ignite the next intifada.
     
  6. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Wow...Zionist SIL? You sound disgruntled.

    Intafada lol..in your and Palestinians own mind. Israel is ready!
    Jerusalem (as the Capital) has always belonged to the State of Israel.
    Don't be mad that Trump followed through on a campaign promise.
     
  7. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    THere's a reason why for nearly 60 years the United States has never made a public statement about where the official capital of Israel should be located.

    Jerusalem has always been one of the 3 holiest sites in Islam, and Trump just said one of those sites belongs exclusively to the Israelis.
    Once it's clear the U.S. is picking one side over the other, we can no longer be considered 'honest brokers' in the Palestinian/Israel conflict.

    This is how Jared is going to bring peace to the Middle East???

    Jared has just created the motivation for the next bus bomber in Tel Aviv.

    What Trump did was idiotic on so many levels, why stir up shit when there's been a relative peace between the Palestinians and the Jews for years??

    Why go out of your way to get people pissed off??

    Or is this just another example of Trump being Trump??
     
  8. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Never? In 60 years? You sure about that?

    Because in 1995, under President Bill Clinton, The Jerusalem Embassy Act passed the Senate by a vote of 93-5!

    However, we can even fast forward to just 6 months ago, to Res 176,
    where a plethora of Senators voted publicly to reaffirm this - (see #20)

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    Names included in that vote ^^^ BTW, were Senator Feinstein,
    AND Chuck Shumer
    AND Corey Booker..
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    all of whom flapped their gums against President Trump for honoring the very PUBLIC STATEMENT that THEY VOTED FOR. Hence, this 'outrage' by Dems is a bunch of phoney posturing, because they voted that Jerusalem belongs to Israel.
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    See Res. 176 above at bolded.

    To your "Islam's holiest site" comment, seriously AB, given that Jerusalem was the 'capital' of Judea for 3,000 years (before the Romans took over and renamed the land as Palestine) and that the lslamic religion didn't appear until the 600's AD..your argument is meritless.

    When has there been "Peace in the M.E??
    Lol. The ONLY Reason there hasn't been daily bus bombs in Israel is because Israel...built a Wall.
     
  9. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member


    The Senate doesn't conduct foreign policy.
    The State Department does.

    The Senate passes all kinds of bullshit grandstanding resolutions that mean absolutely nothing.

    But you won't find one Secretary of State EVER say in public that Jerusalem should ever be the capital of Israel.
    Whatever you may think about the 'newness' of the Islamic religion, almost 2 billion people on the planet are Muslim.

    Your dismissive attitude of the Islamic faith is the reason why Trump's statement was so dangerous. The Al-Aqsa mosque is located in Jerusalem, and yet dumb dumb Trump just claimed ALL of Jerusalem for the Jews. Not smart.

    Interesting you brought up the Jerusalem Embassy Act, signed by Clinton, a law intended to to relocate the U.S. Embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. You must also be aware that Clinton never implemented the law, nor did Bush or Obama.

    Why do you think that was??

    Because the future status of the city of Jerusalem is critical to peace in the Middle East and the U.S. can't be considered an honest broker by the Palestinians if we we publicly side with Israel.

    You love to talk about your opposition to the goals and agenda of the deep state, yet you favor a 'deep state' Zionist agenda like disenfranchising the Palestinians.

    Keep believing the wall on the West Bank will stop another intifada, since I'm sure that's Trump's rationale too.
    It won't.
     
  10. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Andreboba Quote:
    "There's a reason why for nearly 60 years the United States has never made a public statement about where the official capital of Israel should be located."
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    Bullshit, AB. After I clearly showed you that the United States did have a public stance you move the goalposts to say, "Well, no State Department did" and that Congress and the Senate's opinions mean shit.
    Really?
    Ok, then how about the Democratic nominee snd future President, Barack Obama's public statement?

    June 4, 2008, in his first foreign policy speech after capturing the Democratic nomination the day before:

    "Let me be clear. Israel's security is sacrosanct. It is non-negotiable.

    "The Palestinians need a state that is contiguous and cohesive, and that allows them to prosper — but any agreement with the Palestinian people must preserve Israel's identity as a Jewish state, with secure, recognised and defensible borders.

    "Jerusalem will remain the capital of Israel, and it must remain undivided. I have no illusions that this will be easy."


    I also have PUBLIC declarations on behalf of the United States from Bush and Clinton, now you want to change it to, 'no "State Department ever publicly said it." o_O
    Lol..sheesh, .quit the backtrack.
     
  11. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    The State Department and the Oval Office set our foreign policy. I didn't realize using them interchangeably would be so confusing.
    That resolution you posted was for American Jewish consumption, it had nothing at all to do with foreign policy in the ME.
    Clinton signing that Jerusalem Act into 'law' meant absolutely nothing, except to secure his base support among Jewish voters.

    However, you will find several examples of POTUSes, Secretaries of State and UN diplomats endorsing a two state solution on the West Bank.
    That can't happen unless Jerusalem always remains divided.

    No one's moving the goalposts on this discussion.

    Most foreign policy expects have argued the only viable peace plans on the West Bank must involve either a divided Jerusalem, or one that exists as the the capital of both Israel and Palestine.

    Israel has the military muscle to relocate its capital to Jerusalem, but they won't do it. Because they know what kind of provocation that would be.

    You really need to read more about why so many foreign policy wonks consider what Trump said to be reckless and his intention to move the U.S. embassy to Jerusalem to be incomprehensible.

    From Bill Clinton to Trump: The Never-ending Story of the Jerusalem Embassy Move
    read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.769498

    Trump made a unilateral decision that broke protocol on decades of U.S. foreign policy for no particular reason or purpose whatsoever, except to antagonize and provoke Palestinians and Muslims worldwide.
     
  12. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    Funny how you consider the Congressional Acts and Clinton's decree as pandering and disingenuous, you equally dismiss past Presidents who noted that Jerusalem is the Capital, so not surprised you're outraged just because President Trump merely finished the job, which btw, as lve shown you, was far from a unilateral act. In fact, many scholars l'm reading from applaud Trump's public acknowledgenent and said its about time.

    I know you harped on it removes open dialogue, but that dialogue all but dissapeared during the last Administration anyway. Hillary Clinton always took pot-shots at Israel and Obama gifted the Palestinian Authority $221million on Jan 20th, 2017 as a parting shot at Netanyahu.

    While you're convinced there will be an intafada and have more or less made the case for it in your own eyes, fact is, 20 years of kicking the can down the road has done nothing towards securing a concrete peace agreement, has it?

    Not since Truman have we had a President with more balls and gunption to follow through and officially pay Israel the respect that Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel.
    Honestly, you're more than welcome to align with the 2 billion muslims you claim are angry over a place that belongs to Israel, however now that It's been reiterated by our POTUS, that is that and I'm with Israel on this one.
     
  13. Bliss

    Bliss Well-Known Member

    'The only way we'll get sexism out of politics is to get more women into politics' - Hillary Rodham Clinton.
     

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