Random Political comments...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Bliss, Mar 6, 2013.

  1. Loki

    Loki Well-Known Member

    There have been some studies and some evidence, when it comes to the farming industry, that Americans simply will not do the hard work, especially when it comes to harvesting by hand...https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...0f9bdd74ed1_story.html?utm_term=.543b5ac29dce

    "If we lose the workers who are here illegally, it’s hard to see how they’ll be replaced, because Americans are reluctant to take these jobs, particularly the ones harvesting crops. There’s a lot of evidence for this, both anecdotal and statistical, including a particularly compelling case study done in North Carolina in 2011. That year, 489,000 people were unemployed statewide. The North Carolina Growers Association listed 6,500 available jobs. Just 268 of those 489,000 North Carolinians applied, and 245 were hired. On the first day of work, 163 showed up, and a grand total of seven finished the season. Of the mostly Mexican workers who took the rest of the jobs, 90 percent made it through to the end."

    There can also be unintended negative consequences as per below..

    "What happens when labor prices increase? What if we raise pay from the current rates — about $12 an hour — to, say, the minimum wage that many are advocating, $15 an hour?

    I checked in with a few agricultural economists — Jayson Lusk at Oklahoma State University, Philip Martin at the University of California at Davis, and a USDA economist who spoke on the condition of anonymity because public statements would require agency authorization — to understand how that change would reverberate through the food supply.

    A wage increase will mostly affect fruits and vegetables, because commodity crops — corn, soy, wheat, cotton, and others — are highly mechanized, so most of the work is done by machines. With produce, about a quarter of every dollar we spend at the supermarket goes to the farmer. A third of that quarter — about 8 cents of your produce dollar — goes to the farmworker.

    If wages increased 25 percent (from $12 to $15), and that cost were passed on to us, produce prices would rise 2 to 3 percent. The yearly impact would be in the range of $30 per household, certainly affordable for many but not for all.

    But would the costs get passed on to us? It’s a critical question, and it’s hard to answer. Small increases might, but the supply chain might also respond in other ways. Martin told me in an email that “historically, rising ag wages led to labor-saving mechanization or imports, and food cost as a share of household spending has been falling.” If that’s what happens, you won’t see that increase in the grocery store because either farmers invest in machinery to reduce labor costs or the supply chain turns to imports. That means smaller farmers, without the economies of scale to support mechanization, are going to have the hardest time."

    This is why I say that illegal immigration can be a very complex situation Bliss, and these are just a few examples, a "get in line and wait your turn" solution makes sense on the surface, but would bring about massive implications on multiple levels. I have always favored a guest worker (track them, they are allowed in for a fixed period of time, they are taxed, a certain % of their $ is held in the US,ect.) program, but it seems like every common sense legislation that would make this a reality gets shot down.
  2. z

    z Moderator

    I can't stand that Tranny Omorosa, I hope she is next to be fired. She ain't a conservative or lib. She is opportunistic , always talking about her brother and father death for political point, what a witch. Ed Gordon tried to take her to task. I wish an intelligent black woman checks her good. Everything about her so fake. Rest in peace Michael Duncan!
  3. bodhesatva

    bodhesatva Well-Known Member


    Yes, one possible explanation is a vast hidden government conspiracy to drug the President. I think a far simpler explanation is that a 70+ year old man is in the early stages of dementia.
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  4. Soulthinker

    Soulthinker Well-Known Member

  5. archangel

    archangel Well-Known Member

    Did anyone watch the brannon interview? That man is clearly anti immigration. I am not talking about illegal. He seems to me to want it all to stop. Everything else was nothing new.
  6. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    Bannon is an intellectual, educated and financially successful White supremacist.

    The most dangerous kind of racist.
  7. Soulthinker

    Soulthinker Well-Known Member

    A man who appears like a slob instead of a "interllectual".
  8. Since1980

    Since1980 Well-Known Member

    You're a lot more charitable than I am. My take: Trump has never, ever been a smart man; his gross lack of knowledge was never really an issue before because he has never received as much scrutiny as he has now. He was born rich and he's never actually had to be all that smart in order to stay rich. He just has to be not a complete and total dipshit.

    Despite what some posters here would say, I disagree strongly with idea that wealth equals intelligence.
  9. DudeNY12

    DudeNY12 Well-Known Member

    I totally agree. Born into wealth, father in real estate. How much brain power does it take to continue on including the shady crap. He may have been greedier (and possibly larger ego) than his father.
  10. bodhesatva

    bodhesatva Well-Known Member

    I'm not sure guys. I never *liked* Trump -- let's put that aside for the moment -- but he was definitely more articulate in the past than he is today. Just watch some of this Larry King interview from a few decades ago (you don't have to watch all of it). There's a pretty clear difference in speaking abilities when you compare Trump in that interview to Trump today.

    Your two options are that Trump is playing some crazy long con to dumb himself down to appeal to the masses, or his cognitive abilities have declined. Given that he's 71 years old, I would argue that the latter is much more likely.

    And again, for emphasis: this is *completely separate* from whether Trump is a good person or not. I don't think he is and I don't think he was. That hasn't changed. But he's definitely different than he used to be, and cognitive decline is the most likely explanation, given his age.

    (Sorry for fancy medical speak)
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  11. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    Asshole or not, when Trump was in his 40s and 50s, even early to mid 60s, he was much sharper and quicker mentally. Considering his father suffered from Alzheimer's, you have to wonder if there's a reason why the Don doesn't seem like the same man upstairs today that he used to be.

    What's most obvious about how stunted Trump has become is his reduced vocabulary. IMO he has a difficult time expressing himself in a coherent manner when he speaks or writes.
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2017
  12. Soulthinker

    Soulthinker Well-Known Member

    Well,it takes some medical talk to explain Trump. Plus,which is why he can Tweet more better than he talks. 140 Charactors or less is easy.
  13. Since1980

    Since1980 Well-Known Member

    There is a difference between sounding smart and actually being smart. Even decades ago the amount of work required in being President would have still been a lot more work than he'd actually want to do. This is a man who made his a lot of his money by selling his name to other people and making money off it. He has never, ever been a shrewd business mind and even if he had been President at 61 or even 51, we'd be seeing the same things happening.

    Trump has been a joke in NYC circles for decades now; I can't recall the number of articles I've read over the past few years that look at him as being a gaudy loudmouth who's long on flash and short on substance. By comparison, people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet aren't just known for being rich, they're also known for being smart as well.

    And as for Trump having been more articulate years ago, that may have been the case but even then an articulate carnival barker is still a carnival barker.
  14. bodhesatva

    bodhesatva Well-Known Member

    I agree with a lot of this! But I'm trying to make a distinction here that I think matters.

    Trump was *never* a particularly nice guy. He's pretty much always been tacky, I agree with that. He's shown lots of sexist attitudes for decades. He has a long history of racist tendencies. We're definitely on the same page with all of that. I think he would have been a bad President then and he's a bad President now. But he wasn't always so incapable of articulating himself, so incapable of clear thoughts -- that *is* pretty new.

    In 1985 Trump was a bad person with at least a normal-level intelligence (even though he was never as brilliant as he'd like to believe, of course). Now he's still a bad person, but with what seems to be below-average intelligence, incapable of articulating or grasping even moderately complex ideas and phrases. I'm suggesting I see some of the very basic signs of mental decline I was told to look out for in Nursing school, since a great deal of my profession is spent caring for the elderly. It wouldn't be surprising at all, given that he's 71.
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  15. ColiBreh1

    ColiBreh1 Well-Known Member

    Any of y'all keeping up with this?:

  16. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    Beware the source.
    The entire Western world including Asia and Africa would have to support going off the U.S. dollar, which I doubt would ever happen since we're the most stable and reliable economy in the entire world.

    Without us, there is no Chinese economy. Where else would they sell all their garbage shit cheap goods????
  17. Since1980

    Since1980 Well-Known Member

    You are right that he did at least sound a lot smarter back then, whether he actually was or not. And since you went to nursing school, I defer to your expertise in that area lol.
  18. Soulthinker

    Soulthinker Well-Known Member

    He is a trip sometimes. Him and his wife Stacy As long as planes fly and trucks use oil with no alternitive energy the petrodollar will still be there. It won't jack up to $100 a barrel however.
  19. Soulthinker

    Soulthinker Well-Known Member

    Yes plus,a few people rely on the the Yuan or the Euro as hard currency and the Swiss Franc has lost its strengh.
  20. andreboba

    andreboba Well-Known Member

    Now our idiot POTUS refuses to call the Kim Jong Un by his given name, and instead refers to him as ROCKETMAN in a speech before the general assembly at the United Nations.smh

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