AMEN, GLORY HALLELUJAH!!!! I am with you both on that. I've been called 'white girl' since I was about 7 years old. I know exactly what you two are talking about. It's such a shame that in order to be accepted by a lot of your own fellow African-Americans, you have to stoop to their level of ignorance or be someone that you aren't just to blend in. I'd much rather set myself apart from others with traits I don't want to be associated with. I'm not loud and obnoxious, so needless to say, I don't hang around people who act loud and obnoxious. It's not that I think I'm any better, but people do judge by the company you keep, and I don't want to be automatically associated with loud, obnoxious, "ghetto," etc...

By Cnocolor (4.17.99.12) on Monday, February 26, 2001 - 10:13 am:

Macy,

I am with you girl!! I have friends from just about every different race you can name. We'll all go somewhere together and the only "static" we will get is from my fellow african-americans. I've gotten stares, noses turned up at me, etc. I still don't understand why I can't go somewhere with my best friends 2 african-americans, 3 caucasions, 2 hispanics, an asian, and a native american, and have people stare at us all the time and call me "acting white". That concept I don't understand, is it because I speak with correct english, don't dress in baggy clothes, choose to fix myself up like a lady before I leave the house.....UGGGH!!!
I was raised to treat people how they treat me, I don't determine who my closest friends are by the color of their skin!!! How ignorant. Then there's also the vibes I get from black women because my boyfriend is a black man, that he's only with me because I "act white"....but that's a whole different subject........

*C-No-Color*

By Macy (209.244.224.80) on Friday, February 23, 2001 - 09:35 pm:

I can relate wholly with you all on the music among other issues. I think alot of us African-American people are beginning to show how open we are to diversity in our lives (I have quite a few sites on the subjects now). I have ALWAYS liked different kinds of music as well as hung out with others who were white, but I have freinds (who are really freinds) who are black as well. But my two closest freinds (both black females) share the same interests as I do when it comes to music and the opposite sex (mind you my attraction to the opposite race is not overwhelming, but an attraction is there still).
But its hilarious when another black person (usually a male) shares my interest for Foo Fighters and 311. But it absolutely galls me the way some black people put others down who as they say "act white".
Case in point, there is this woman at work who calls me "white girl". Because of the way I talk, it has gotten around that I listen to different kinds of music, and I was having a serious conversation with a co-worker about being attracted to another race, so this woman approaches me and asks some of the silliest questions. But it was really getting to me as she had been calling me "white girl" the last two weeks, so I wasted no time in calling her "ghetto diva", and that if she didn't stop being such a little busybody I would be tempted to punch her in the mouth!..................sorry to have shared..................thankyou...............

By London (63.93.57.53) on Friday, February 16, 2001 - 01:11 am:

Sun Tzu, the elusive figure, The Art Of War...
One Day, hopefully sooner than later, I may develop the fortitude to finish and comprehend the philosophy, Roberto; Wesley Snipes Knows.

Life is War. War is strategy. Arm thyself.

PUBLIC Primary Education, the last and first bastion, for subtle racism, one in which goes missed by most, but not all people.

Can I get a witness?


Wyatt, Forgive me if I have trespassed, crossed the line, your line, for that was definitely not my intent.

Gentlemen

Curtly yours,

London

By Roberto (152.163.207.81) on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 10:57 pm:

Anon2000:

Thank you. This man is considered the black Einstein of computer science and mathematics. He is brillant. I heard of him in Germany where he is highly respected. Most blacks and whites in this country do not know a thing about him. Another untold story. ~ Roberto

By Anon2000 (207.218.73.37) on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 10:10 pm:

talking about brilliant men of african descent...not sure what to make of some of his ideas, but...!

http://www.emeagwali.com/index.html

By Roberto (64.12.104.24) on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 09:18 pm:

London:


"Kill one and frighten a thousand". ~ Sun Tzu

This is in my mind what has happen to the black male. He has been killed physically, intellectually, spiritually, and emotionally. As Sun Tzu said centuries ago, I see the same thing happened to the black male, who has been killed to submit and serve, as an example for all others that followed since his enslavement. Now his own as taken over that role and is still playing the game. He (the black male) is still enslaved today, by himself, and by those of his own (other blacks), who wish to gain from his enslavement, to profit for themselves. Like the old saying, "A man who cannot fish to feed himself is forever in your debt, if he learns to fish for himself, then he does not need you anymore". A great many black men have not learned this lesson, so they are easy to be manipulated by the powerful, and the not so powerful.

You know the assumption, "black boys cannot learn or require special attention", is still alive. Imagine the kind of men we could be as true (not affirmative action) scholars/athletes, unhindered in their growth from cradle to grave. When I see a young black male denigrated by his mother and told, "you are no good like your father", or "You will never amount to anything" or to be told by a teacher. " You cannot learn that, you need to try something more easier" or "You should be an athlete and not a computer scientist", then the systematic brainwashing that starts from the cradle will ensure that he (the black male) will be unfit to be the total man well until the grave. ~ Roberto

By Wyatt (207.106.60.171) on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 10:22 am:

Hey London,

Excellent point. Spend the time and the money on primary school and University is a breeze. Public Universities at the undergrad level are great in the US. But, if you can afford it, small, rigorous education at a lower level is best.

Hey, Mad Scientist--
I too am a Green Party member and I am one of a few blacks in the local org. Blacks have lacked faces in the environmental movement, although the issues affect the black and minority communities adversely(lead in water, urban blight, air pollution in urban centres, toxic dumping, the asthma epidemic, etc). But black progressive leaders, not liberals, PROGRESSIVES, support the party and the agenda. I met Cornel West, the preeminent intellectual of today, at Bryn Mawr last week and he pointed out that we as blacks, as people interested in social change, multiracialist, integrationist, people of faith, and even black conservatives, should ask. . . why do we follow the same old forms of plantation politics--the democratic centrist, who patronize the community for votes and leave the cities to die. We miust turn to new, progressive, modern/but common sense ideas for change and drop the status qou.

By London (63.93.57.111) on Thursday, February 15, 2001 - 09:57 am:

Roberto,

In your second to last post, you wrote on something very near to me: primary education and the social connotations and beliefs about black male youths.

Academics was not encouraged in my primary school days, Athletics was. I am a good athlete, but that is not all I am. This area is tricky, for me. I love athletics and appreciate athletes, for their dedication to their trade, just like anything and anyone showing dedication to their trade/profession: composers, authors, musicians, actors, but academics seems to be downplayed to BM youth, currently and within the last twenty years or so.

I defend athletics.

For all those with children, It's not college that you should be worried about, it is primary education. If the child is not encouraged and fostered here, EARLY, it could be an uphill battle, one that is not always surmountable, if hindered, early in life.

london

By Mad_scientist (134.124.212.217) on Tuesday, February 13, 2001 - 07:22 pm:

Thanks, Roberto.

By Cnocolor (4.17.99.12) on Tuesday, February 13, 2001 - 12:09 pm:

Roberto, you're wonderful!!! I couldn't have said that one better myself.

*C-No-Color*

By Roberto (152.163.204.81) on Tuesday, February 13, 2001 - 12:04 am:

Mad Scientist:

If Black America had ten million more of you, Hector, Wyatt, Spade, Cnocolor, Swampfox8, London and others of like minds it would be a true revolution of enlightment. ~ Roberto

By Mad_scientist (134.124.212.217) on Monday, February 12, 2001 - 07:11 pm:

I agree with your statement, Roberto. Fortunately, there are many intellectual blacks, but there are still far to few. W.E.B. Du Bois talks about the "talented tenth", which he proclaims that the intellectual negro class must make decisions for the rest of the 90%.

I am a liberal, as I am aligned with the Green Party. Funny that the Green Party is nearly all white, especially since it strongly supports affirmative action and reparations for Black Americans. A poll released found that most blacks actually believed in conservative values. Not surprisingly, there are a growing number of black conservative leaders. Many of them are directly challenging Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton for black leadership. One great book I've read is Losing the Race. I don't necessarily agree with all of his arguments, but he brings up some very good points. Of course, as you can see from the reviews, it is causing a lot of controversy. I've taken to refer to "black racists" as conservatives, while refering to those working to erase the concept of race as being cutting edge liberals. In this context, one can refer to someone such as Khalid Muhammad as being an ultraconservative, or even an "Uncle Tom" because he behaves publicly in a way that pushes back our progress in race relations. I call them "Uncle Toms" because they are behaving like white supremacists. Here are some good examples of what constitutes an "Uncle Tom":
1. Malik Zulu Shabazz: Counseling Hate
2. Quotes From Khalid Muhammad
3. Perhaps, the most disturbing of all can be found here.
So us liberal-minded people must rise up against these demagogues. I, too, will wage a heavy fight against them.

By Roberto (152.163.201.67) on Monday, February 12, 2001 - 05:34 pm:

The xenophobia of the "new black supremacist or black racists" is to tell you how to think through fear of being different. They are as dangerous as the socialist and communist of old. I deal with this everyday. When I was young, I was called every name in the gutter, because I loved books and liked to read. I was told "to read is to be like a white person". How stupid some of our race has become, and they want you to emulate them, Never. I can understand having the chains and shackles of slavery in the past, but this new straightjacket of the mind that others among our race want to impose on you, to tell you how to think, to act, to behave and to live is like something out of George Orwell's "Animal Farm". The new black racist would rather that we all stay at their level of ignorance to control us. By me saying this to others, they hate my guts. The anti-achievement and anti-excellence that exists in our schools and young people is the greatest challenge that our so-called black leaders have failed to take hold of to fight, because they do not want to be seen as "Uncle Toms", but the "modern day new Uncle Toms" in this so-called new black culture of "hip hop" will be our seed to destruction and ignorance. I will fight them until my last day. When I'm gone my children and their children will carry on the fight. ~ Roberto

By Cnocolor (4.17.99.12) on Monday, February 12, 2001 - 01:23 pm:

Exactly!!! I happen to be into classical, jazz, a lot of 70's & 80's music, house/techno, alternative, etc. I do listen to R&B & Rap sometimes, but I can't listen to it all day in & out!!! I don't even care for rap too much, the only rappers I really care for are like Will Smith, Heavy D, LL Cool J & maybe even Hammer. Then I'm told those aren't "real" rappers. I really don't get that one.......Can't win for losing.

By Browneyes (152.163.213.184) on Monday, February 12, 2001 - 12:47 pm:

oh, and I know what you mean by that too, you guys. I love singers like Celine Dion or Faith Hill and even Matchbox 20 and Sugar Ray. I not only listen to rap and r&b, I enjoy pop and alternative too, and I've heard that same crap... 'you listen to white people's music?' You all have my sympathy...

By Swampfox8 (63.31.210.220) on Monday, February 12, 2001 - 12:14 pm:

Hey Cnocolor, i agree with what you said about speaking correct english and all. It seems that if we are the least bit differrent from the norm of the so-called black person, then you are labeled "acting white." I guess as a black guy i'm not supposed to want to do out of the ordinary things like skydiving and racing bicycles! Do you ever get the feeling that a lot of black kids do a lot of things just because they think that this is what black people are supposed be doing? It seems that anything outside of the so-called "hard" rap music is looked at as sellout material! I listen to what i like which is Electronica and groups from the 80s like Depeche Mode,Lush,Tears for Fears, and New Order, and from the 90s groups like Hooverphonic and Stereolab. While growing up i noticed that my tastes in music were different from other young black guys and i took a lot of crap and still do over the kinds of music i listen to. I wonder how many black kids really would like to listen to other kinds of music but are afraid to because of what other people will think?

By Cnocolor (4.17.99.12) on Monday, February 12, 2001 - 10:25 am:

Roberto,

That was just one experience in several that I have had. It's like I can't win for losing. I'm criticized if I date outside my race, and I'm still criticized when I don't. It seems as when black men or black women act intelligent & with some decency and respect for one another that we've lost our quote "blackness" and are acting, "white". Just the other day, I was told by one of my cousins that I act "white". So just because I speak with correct english, live in a diverse neighborhood, want more for myself than depending on the system to give it to me, etc., I'm acting, "white"? WTF kind of crap is that? & all of this is the white man's fault? I don't think so!!! You have no one to fault but yourself if you remain where you are & stagnant. That's just my opinion.

*C-No-Color*

By Roberto (205.188.197.42) on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 04:00 pm:

Browneyes:

Ingenius, no, common sense, yes. What is needed among blacks today is being your own leader and less being a follower to determine not only your own destiny, but the progress of the whole, if there is any such thing as group unity anymore. ~ Roberto

By Browneyes (64.12.102.36) on Sunday, February 11, 2001 - 02:42 pm:

Roberto, what an ingenius idea... it's not like I haven't thought of doing that (I did respond to the infamous 'Disgusted White Girl' letter in the Sister 2 Sister magazine) and while I did emphasize that it wasn't a terrible thing to date interracially, it is if you're doing it out of spite, or for the purpose of throwing something in other people's face. If she were minding her own business like anyone else with sense, she'd probably not notice those stares people were giving her, and while IR is not as widely accepted among black women as it is bm or ww, most people don't even give a frog's green butt who she's with. No need for her to feel THAT important.

By Roberto (152.163.197.214) on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 02:17 pm:

Ladies:

You need to make your voices known. See if you can find others of like mind and get the national black women's magazines (like Essence), black women organizations and black women on the national daytime talk shows to address this issue. I fear what I see happening within the black community is a disintegration of trust, love and understanding between black men and women that is only getting worse. No race or group in this country is experiencing this kind of group and self hate. We as a group are so easily manipulated and controlled by forces outside of our communities who prey on this division. ~ Roberto

By Browneyes (205.188.193.27) on Saturday, February 10, 2001 - 12:45 pm:

My goodness, that has to be one of the most offensive and outraging situations I've ever heard of. What is to them who you're with or even why you're with him? What's funny is that when some of those women see a happy, successful black couple, you get snide remarks STILL. What's even MORE ironic is that these are women who want a "good black man." What in the world???!! It's almost like we can't win for losing. I, personally am so sick of women tearing down our credibility, because these are the ones that have become 'the norm' in the African American society. You can disagree without being disagreeable, and I'm more than sure the waiter didn't spill anything on you purposely, so there's no reason for anyone to make some big melodramatic scene over a little wine just to get a free meal. It's upsetting to me because I don't want people to come to expect that of us as black women, but sadly, we alone can't change that perception. When you try to be mannerable and act like you've got some sense, even then, a lot of people think you're just as plastic as anyone else. It's just so unfair. :o(

By Cnocolor (4.17.99.12) on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 01:39 pm:

EXACTLY MY POINT, Browneyes!!! Like I said before I'm currently dating a very nice black man, because I like him for who he is. If he would have been white, hispanic, asian, indian...whatever, if his heart was pure then I would have been dating one of them. Yes, of course I have dated outside of my race before, because I look at a person for whom they are, not the color of their skin. I feel like if I was just baseing(sp?) whom I date on their skin color, that I would be limiting myself.

Whenever I go somewhere with my man,(yes, he has dated outside of his race also) I get what they're calling now days the "haters" from other black women. Let me tell you a story. We were sitting in a very nice resturant together, having a candlelight dinner. Two obviously single sisters walk in and got seated at the table across from us. As our supposed to be romantic dinner progressed I start overhearing "remarks" from them like, "Um, I wonder what he's with her for," , "He must be a dealer if he's able to afford to bring her here", and "She probably stole that dress because can't no sisters afford clothes like that." I just couldn't believe it!!! I just had to glare at them. The killer was that when the waiter was pouring us our wine, he accidentaly spilled a little on my dress, of course I said, "oh that's o.k, where's the bathroom so I can go and freshen up." Like any lady should. Of course one of the women sitting at the table said, "If that was me, that waiter would have been out of a job, and paid for this meal plus dry cleaning." On that note: my honey was so upset, that when I came out of the bathroom, he had paid the check, gotten a "to-go" container, and helped me with my coat. When we walked passed them, I know he shouldn't have said it, but he had to, he said, "See, my sisters, this is why you don't have men joining you for dinner this evening."

See, I'm just sick and tired of women like myself & of course you browneyes, being looked at as being like women like this. Men just seem to be skeptical of myself, and women like me, because of the way women like this portray themselves. It's just not fair or right to us. (Aww man, there I go again rambling...I have a tendency to to that)

*C-No-Color

P.S. Wyatt, you saw Cornel West!!! Now, I'm jealous!!

By Browneyes (64.12.105.23) on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 12:26 pm:

Cnocolor-

I couldn't agree with you more. It's a shame and a disgrace to women like us who try to carry ourselves well, but then there are so many who perpetuate the stereotypical black woman. And if it's not that, then some of the black women who do have themselves together have terrible things to say about IR couples and some will just spend day in and day out staring and giving them dirty looks. I'm glad I feel the way I do about IR now, because there was a time when I would only date a brotha. I assumed sometimes it's the things you have in common rather than differences that actually keep you together, including similar backgrounds. Well, I guess I thought wrong, because when I've heard and seen so many black men discredit and disregard black women, placing them under a 'non-dateable' label, I felt it didn't make sense to want to date only one race of men where some wouldn't give me the WRONG time of day just for being black. I do love black men, don't get me wrong, but I'm saying that if other people are moving on and experimenting their options, then I, too can do the same. Whoever treats me good and is intelligent and has other good personal qualities is a person I want to be with. If he's black, that's great. If he's not, that's great too. I just don't want to waste time and miss out on someone who would have perfectly suited me just because I was too color-complexed to see behind the skin.

By Wyatt (207.106.60.13) on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 10:46 am:

Hello CNColor,

Welcome. I went to hear brother Cornel West lecture last night in Bryn Mawr, Pa., and what he said was never poignant to this topic. He explains the shell shock one gets from being in a war and equates that with the tremendous pressures and damage experienced by blacks in a post apartheid America. It is like we have all been warped by the experienced of being treated less than human and that we all suffer from a deep depression and a bit of anxiety and paranoia. With these ailments we tend to look at ourselves, our people and others with a suspicion.
Black men, like most black women I have come into contact with, have this vision of the world as one where they have to sift very carefully through. But in doing so, alot of them haven't had the kinds of nurturing today to teach them who is bad and who is good for them. They assume that the bad is the good and vice versa. It is a sad ailment, becuase we are then caught with a loaded gun, one that will surely backfire.

You are a unique character and a person who should be applauded for having a greater capacity for insight, inteligence and goodness than the average person. You gain something in your raising and education which taught, that education is for becoming more civilized instead of a vocational method for becoming a vulgar materialist. You are judging these men on the content of their character not color or materialistic non-substance and that is the highest form of civilized humanity. The sad part is that these men have absorbed the lies of being less than human that their self-esteem won't allow them to accept such an angelic person such as you are. give them time and help to understand that a good woman is one who is ambitious, warm, giving, hardworking, kind, quiet, intelligent, reverent and does want anything in return. That is truly the nature of love dear and you have the essential essence.

Cheers

By Cnocolor (4.17.99.12) on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 09:59 am:

To Swampfox8 & Roberto,

Thank you brothers for the nice comments. I just HATE that some sisters will not quote: "wake up and smell the coffee". It just makes us all look bad when my fellow sisters act this way. Some of the things I have heard that they've done to my man & even my male friends is just outrageous & I don't understand it. I kind of stumbled upon this site the other day, read some of the comments that some (let me say some, because you know who you are) of the other black females have written, and was kind of mortified and surprised. I think I'll stay on here for a while, maybe it will enlighten some of them.

Browneyes,

Girl, I cannot leave the house with out at least matching up an outfit even if it's just a clean t-shirt & jeans, & combing my hair. Why would any woman want to walk out of the house looking like she just got out of bed? Then she wonders why she don't have a man? & as for being loud, obnoxious, loudmouth, etc., I feel like if you have an argument, you should be in the privacy of your home, or at least not out in public where everyone can hear you & see you...that's so embarassing to me!! I even hate to see when other women do that, I shake my head and think, "that's so ignorant." But once again, thanks for the warm welcome everyone. :-)

*C-No-Color*

By Browneyes (152.163.213.186) on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 07:49 am:

cnocolor-

oh, and don't forget to mention loudmouthed, overbearing, obnoxious, classless, and negligent when it comes to keeping up our physical appearance. :o) (lol) I've heard so many complaints about the problems we as black women have, it's ridiculous. I'm not loud and ignorant, overbearing, and I most CERTAINLY care about my physical appearance.

By Anon2000 (207.218.73.27) on Friday, February 9, 2001 - 02:23 am:

yeah what roberto said...peace and love sistas!

By Roberto (205.188.197.181) on Thursday, February 8, 2001 - 10:29 pm:

Cnocolor:

I will say this of you as a black woman, keep being positive and keep your heart pure. Do not worry about what others (black women) may think of you or what (black men) who do not know you, think of you. Keep being yourself. Obviously, the man with you right now see something in you. I have no doubt that you are the kind of black woman many black men are desperately trying to find. Hopefully, those black women who have not figured out how you are living happily and they are not, will get with the program or they will forever be unhappy. You just keep on being positive and being the beautiful sister that you are. ~ Roberto

By Swampfox8 (63.11.114.9) on Thursday, February 8, 2001 - 07:59 pm:

Hi there Cnocolor!! Glad to see a nice black woman who appears to have a good head on her shoulders! I know that there are a lot of black women who think the way you do, i just never meet many on this site. For everyone else, i've changed from using all caps so that i won't be confused with lewd guys who come to this site typing in caps.

By Cnocolor (4.17.99.12) on Thursday, February 8, 2001 - 03:24 pm:

Oh good, I am so happy that there is a fellow black woman out there that does not fit the "stereotypical" image of what black women are like today. It's so sad to me that many if not most of us are put into the categories of, uncaring, rude, obnoxious, goldiggers, don't care about ourselves, nagging, etc, etc. Why? Because of how others act we are labeled this way. So sad, yet so true. I could NEVER see myself acting like that in any situation, it's just "assumed" I'm going to be this way. I hate it, but I guess there's nothing I can do about it. *sigh*
My sincerest apologies to the brothers who have not run across women like us, but be sure and love your lady for who she is not her skin color.....that's what counts the most.

*C-No-Color*

By Browneyes (205.188.196.41) on Thursday, February 8, 2001 - 01:10 pm:

Girl, I understand exactly what you mean. Been there, done that, wrote the book, and got the t-shirt. People have thought that I as a black woman was just like the rest (whether they knew me or not), but when people find out my boyfriend is white, then they have something to say about that too. It's a no-win situation, but I don't care about what anyone has to say about my relationship. I could have been with a black man if I wanted, but that's not who was always there for me when I didn't have anyone at the time. I love black men, yes, but I love whoever has been good to me. :o)

By Cnocolor (4.17.99.12) on Thursday, February 8, 2001 - 11:31 am:

Hello everyone, I came across this site a few days ago, and have read many of the topics and responses to them. First of all I want to say that I think it's wonderful to have a site this that discusses interacial dating, because as we all know there are plenty of people out there that don't accept it. Well, let me get to my point and stop rambling on.

My question is this, anyone feel free to answer, but it is espically for the black men, no wait african american men on this site. Yes I am a pretty successful black woman, educated, with a nice home, car, job, basically the whole nine yards. I'm currently dating an african american man that is what most people call him the average, "blue collar worker." & yes many of my black female friends do say, "why are you with him? he has nothing to offer you." I always say, "He offers me his mind, his heart, & his soul, isn't that enough?" While on the other hand my white friends will say, "You two are so great together, wish there were more out there like him!!!"

The interesting thing about my experience is that almost every african american male that I have EVER dated has been quite skeptical of me. For one, I date men for their personality, I'm not out to get anything they have, that is not how I was raised, nor do I care to be that way. I'm not a so called "ghetto chick" that embarasses her man in public, puts him down, looking for him to buy me this, that, & the other, etc,.etc.,etc. I want to know why do they "assume" that I'm going to be this way because of the black women that they have dated in their past? How come it's so hard for me to prove or say to them that all black women are not this way?

For example,it dosen't matter where I am, I will get so embarassed when I see a black woman out getting upset over the stupidest little thing like spilling wine on her new white suit,giving an interacial couple dirty looks because he's not with them (ww/bm)etc. (well maybe that was a crappy example)...but what kind of mess is that? I've actually had a couple of men break up with me because they assume that I'm going to change, and I've also been told that I'm "too good to them". I just don't get it. Do I have to go thru my life unsecure in my relationship(s) with any man, that they're going to question my sincerity & good heart that I'm really covering up something? Am I to assume that african american men think all african american women are out to get something from them?

I really & truly hope that your experiences haven't all been this terrible that you feel that all black women are this way. I can safely say, that I'm not this way, and hope to never, EVER be the way that some of the stories that I have heard from black men. & if you love your woman & take care of her no matter what color she is, that's what really counts right? (I'm really hoping that the other black women on this site don't start complaining about the views I have)
*Sorry, I have a tendency to ramble on about a good topic* Peace & Love